General => General Discussion => Topic started by: electrotek on December 22, 2021, 00:25:08 am
Title: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2021, 00:25:08 am
At least a few people have replicated the VIC, but all I've ever seen are mediocre results. And this includes videos of Stan's own equipment in action. I'm thinking that maybe he left something out of his presentations. None of the cells he showed produced anywhere near enough gas to run a VW. And the way he operated his injectors brought the hho in from somewhere else - the injectors didn't split the water which was injected to control the burn rate.
I don't remember seeing the cell he used on the dune buggy. But I did see two EPG units under the hood Presumably, these units produced the pulse trains, rather than VICs, for this application. But why two of them? My view is that he was combining out of phase waveforms to produce a type of ionizing exotic energy, and this energy is capable of generating significant amounts of gas. And if this is what was being done, it should also work with two VICs. Has anyone seen a setup with two driver circuits?
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2021, 23:30:52 pm
Another way to use two signals is to apply them sequentially. A first string of pulses sets up a resonant elastic sloshing back and forth between the electrodes, then a discordant frequency 'shatters' the resonance, ripping the molecules apart.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 23, 2021, 12:30:39 pm
The way this was explained at the chemistrystack forum is that the dissonant frequency can be above or below the resonant frequency. In the case of the Opera singer's wine glass, the wavering of her voice applies the difference in frequency which shatters the glass. Kind of like a ripple wave.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2021, 09:41:27 am
I think that it is not about massive amounts of hho gas you should look for. It more about the type of isotopes of gas. Bonding h1 with neutrons for example More mass is more energy Or browns gas with lots of monotomic ions.... As joe stated of the joe cell....he stated that the gas was more explosive when the power was off.....
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 30, 2021, 17:02:42 pm
Stepherson showed us the isotopes form spontaneously when the USP gas container is placed at the center of the air core rf transformer. Perhaps you can pull electricity from the resonant circuit as it's being produced. Using the visible size of his pickup coil (the larger, secondary winding) and estimating the vacuum capacitor value would resolve the fusion operating frequency.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2022, 10:00:03 am
Stepherson showed us the isotopes form spontaneously when the USP gas container is placed at the center of the air core rf transformer. Perhaps you can pull electricity from the resonant circuit as it's being produced. Using the visible size of his pickup coil (the larger, secondary winding) and estimating the vacuum capacitor value would resolve the fusion operating frequency.
This is a very important quote from you, E-tec..At least for me...." Stepherson showed us the isotopes form spontaneously when the USP gas container is placed at the center of the air core rf transformer."
Stephen Horvarth and Herman Anderson both used sparks to create rf radiation...... Both claimed to create isotopes...
Do you have more info from this Stepherson,s system?
cheers!
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2022, 19:37:15 pm
Sorry, I forgot which thread this subject was originally discussed on. He had a sealed glass sample tube - around one inch by three or four inches - of USP grade Hydrogen. He had an rf Helicon coil wrapped around the tube, and energy from this coil converted the internal gas into plasma. This had a bright red appearance. During the several minutes of operation, the color gradually changed to purple (red plus blue), which indicated the formation, and presence of, Helium, inside the sealed tube. He said this was due to spontaneous fusing of H into He. And this happened because he had a second coil loosely wrapped around the outside of everything else, with this coil resonating at a specific frequency. The fact that this secondary tank circuit would 'ground' the fusion energy is what allowed the reaction to occur.
He also said that he was informed during an official visit that he had stumbled onto a state secret. (In England). He did not say he was ordered to not talk about it.
During our entire discussion at the private group, he never would say what the extraction frequency is, but this might be deduced by examining his equipment. The outer pick-up coil's inductance would be easy to estimate, but the tank's capacitor was around 10" in diameter, with a vacuum dielectric, and a large number of plates. So what was it's value? He wouldn't say.
In my opinion, his demonstration proved that fusion isotopes can form spontaneously when the right frequency of energy is EXTRACTED from a plasma, rather than input. So the only input which is needed is for ionization.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 07, 2022, 15:18:34 pm
I forgot to also mention that when fusion energy is extracted resonantly, the alternative kinetic kick does not occur. There may be neutrons but they would be cold, and moving too slow to penetrate anything.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 08, 2022, 19:21:23 pm
Why ask me to repeat something if you're not going to comment this time either? Just change the subject again.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2022, 08:10:26 am
Sorry, I forgot which thread this subject was originally discussed on. He had a sealed glass sample tube - around one inch by three or four inches - of USP grade Hydrogen. He had an rf Helicon coil wrapped around the tube, and energy from this coil converted the internal gas into plasma. This had a bright red appearance. During the several minutes of operation, the color gradually changed to purple (red plus blue), which indicated the formation, and presence of, Helium, inside the sealed tube. He said this was due to spontaneous fusing of H into He. And this happened because he had a second coil loosely wrapped around the outside of everything else, with this coil resonating at a specific frequency. The fact that this secondary tank circuit would 'ground' the fusion energy is what allowed the reaction to occur.
He also said that he was informed during an official visit that he had stumbled onto a state secret. (In England). He did not say he was ordered to not talk about it.
During our entire discussion at the private group, he never would say what the extraction frequency is, but this might be deduced by examining his equipment. The outer pick-up coil's inductance would be easy to estimate, but the tank's capacitor was around 10" in diameter, with a vacuum dielectric, and a large number of plates. So what was it's value? He wouldn't say.
In my opinion, his demonstration proved that fusion isotopes can form spontaneously when the right frequency of energy is EXTRACTED from a plasma, rather than input. So the only input which is needed is for ionization.
A state secret..... Thanks for explaining, ET. It is highly intresting. I am curious if that technology works with in an ambient environment where the gas flows thru a glas tube and not in a ststionairy closed tube.
Can you post his posts here or at least the pics? And did he use any modulation on that signal? Am or fm type?
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2022, 08:16:40 am
Can you draw how you think the coils are wrapped? A resonance between what parts?
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2022, 08:32:07 am
Extracted? Like when you have resonance between a coil and capacitor and then specific when the coil charge flows towards the capacitor? There should be a collapsing magnetic field then, is it?
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2022, 08:41:51 am
Anderson and friends did create rf radiation by using a spark. A car ignition coil of 70kv discharging into a sparkplug, but the sparkplu wire was wrapped around the cell..... Feeding the rf into the cell. I have not found any info on extracting that rf out of the cell. The only info on extracting a charge is from Stan Meyer,s EEC.
Nature is never so exact...it might have given some good reactions.... Yr new system might have been a more developed system. As Anderson said, he needed soft x rays...photonic energy....feeding it into the watercell.
Yr new system started to produce photons as well, is it? Rf made the H glow....photons
Hmmmm Some stuf to think about
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2022, 08:58:17 am
Helium is concentrated in stars, where it is synthesized from hydrogen by nuclear fusion......
The nucleus of every helium atom contains two protons, but, as is the case with all elements, isotopes of helium exist. The known isotopes of helium contain from one to six neutrons, so their mass numbers range from three to eight. Of these six isotopes, only those with mass numbers of three (helium-3, or 3He) and four (helium-4, or 4He) are stable; all the others are radioactive, decaying very rapidly into other substances.
As Anderson clearly stated, Neutrons neutrons and neutrons.... He added neutrons to the hydrogen to create an isotope...deuterium.... However helium with two protons and neutrons are also possible...
As i start thinking..is shooting a photon from the gas also some kind of extracting?
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2022, 16:01:25 pm
Why ask me to repeat something if you're not going to comment this time either? Just change the subject again.
Sorry I'm getting a little testy. When I join a group, it's hoping to get some discussion. I'm not interested in posting a blog strictly about my own ideas. I think I should step back and take a break.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2022, 13:42:42 pm
Why ask me to repeat something if you're not going to comment this time either? Just change the subject again.
Sorry I'm getting a little testy. When I join a group, it's hoping to get some discussion. I'm not interested in posting a blog strictly about my own ideas. I think I should step back and take a break.
It would be a loss if you should decide to leave..I understand the wish for more discussions. I also would like that. On other forums, it is also very quiet....I check them once in a while. What is your goal? Can pm me....
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 12, 2022, 13:06:01 pm
Sorry again. I wasn't demanding discussion; I just felt it was a little rude to ask me to post something, then blow it off.
If you want to find the resonant em frequency, take the MEV value of the reaction, then convert it with Boltzmann's Constant. Every voltage has a corresponding frequency, every frequency has a wavelength, every wavelength has a temperature.
The forums are quiet? The time is coming when only the Trolls are left, waiting for someone to say something important, so they can jump in with an overwhelming distraction.
And I ain't your ET. Me Human.
Over and out.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2022, 21:30:22 pm
The point of this whole thread is to find out if anyone saw Stan's setup with two VICs. I saw two EPGs under the dune buggy hood. And that 'pickup coil' being slightly smaller than the primary, could easily be switched in as a higher frequency driver winding. That higher, substitute pulse frequency could be switched in during the 'supposed' relaxation time. Any free electrons could be extracted with the top ring and a different circuit.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2022, 05:25:39 am
Check with Bob Boyce I think one of his early devices output had a 3 frequency output for use in the early plate HHO generators
regards
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2022, 00:20:38 am
Check with Bob Boyce I think one of his early devices output had a 3 frequency output for use in the early plate HHO generators
regards
Thanks, that's completely new to me. I'll check into it.
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2022, 10:14:31 am
Bob used 3 frequencys, yes. The bob setup in a couple of words: He used a bias DC voltage of 1.3v a constant strait DC. The pulses of the three frequencies are very very short pulses. The theory is to use non herzian charges. These scalar waves are very good in charging water....
cheers
Title: Re: Did Meyer Use Two Frequencies?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 06, 2022, 01:08:46 am
Actually, Bob used 6 frequencies. Each of the 3 channels, had a Gated Pulse waveform. And, if you've ever listened to your electricity, you'll hear both tones being reproduced and can tune to combinations that produce musical chords. :)
Then, of course, the shared toroid and LC tank were subject to hetero-dyning as well. Exponential harmonics are created from that effect. I built a 4 channel version, similar to Bedini/Rife 4wave mixer. Ironically, it's the same exact process of modulation.
What's the difference between Gating and Amplitude Modulation? 1 picoVolt :)
Stan's use of gradient voltage bursts, effecting Resonant Action in the spherical cavity, were also a form of tonal modulation. Leo Fender did it in 1970 with the infamous Bias Wiggle :)