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Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2021, 08:55:30 am »
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Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2021, 08:57:18 am »
I ordered a battery smacker from Bob, last week.
Hope to get it soon.
If it charges my battery with scalar waves, then his theory on using it towards water can also be true

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Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2021, 22:32:37 pm »
longitudinal or transverse is a direction, longitudinal is perpendicular to you, transverse is vertical to you

em waves have both components, the longitudinal can be the poynting vector , the transverse the scalar components of the em wave

the EM wave is just induction on an open circuit , you don't need a closed circuit, antennas transfer energy with OPEN CIRCUITS, the faraday and maxwell's laws or even weber laws limit you with closed circuits, this way you only explore half of EM

scalar is a quantity, scalar means you scale a value with something, some times you scale direction aka vectors with scalars, there are scalar fields but this is something we invented in math

you can't just pull any energy from the environment, what is zero point energy? is the minimum energy of the universe? how can you pull energy from this? what is the mechanism of energy transfer?

electrons and the rest of the zoo of particles are made of something that doesn't dissipate any energy, something that can't interact with matter as we know it, according to me this is because these are made from gravitational waves and gravitational waves have no way of dissipating energy since they transcend matter

can you break apart electrons? not really, you can make photons but that's because you use an atom for this and it's machinery to do it

circular waves have nodes , so a circular gravitational wave also has nodes , you can only combine other waves by following the energy requirement of the wave

can you cancel a gravitational wave? not really , the same way you can't cancel a moving magnetic field, that means that two opposite gravitational waves don't cancel but stretch space-time further but the force you feel is cancelled much like when two opposing magnetic fields cancel other out , the fields arent cancelled it's the force that's cancelled out but when you move the opposing magnetic fields in opposite directions of each other there is a force exerted on a charge when there is no measurable field, this is because spacetime is torsionless

if I was teaching EM I would only use the lorrentz law, it's the only law you'll ever need, it beats all other laws, it's geometrical and nature is geometrical
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Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2021, 09:12:13 am »
Hi Geon,

You cannot pull energy from the environment?
I do not agree with that statement....
There are example of working systems that does this.

For me, it was interesting to hear from Bob Boyce how he was creating Scalar emf waves.
The interesting part is that he was pulsing his three primary coils in femto seconds timeframe.
That means that he puts a voltage across the coil, and takes it away, before current starts to flow.



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Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2021, 13:09:03 pm »


a longitudinal wave would be the gravitational wave or a sound wave because it only has one direction or charge

when you accelerate a charge you make an EM wave but these E and B components are transverse

if there was a magnetic monopole by shaking it you would make a longitudinal field like you do when you shake a mass you make gravitational waves

but EM fields are built to be transverse

when you increase the current in a straight wire another straight wire parallel to it has current induced in it in the opposite direction, this is due to faraday induction and lenz law, the EM wave is due to induction

the poynting vector is the product of E and B fields and is pointing towards the direction of the propagation but the force is always parallel or transverse to this direction

in the little wonder world I made the gravitational waves are the ones who make these fields, there is no way to make longitudinal EM waves because the gravitational waves are quantized, you can't build matter without following the quantization rules

so there are no electric fields no magnetic fields no weak force no nuclear force, there is only one universal force or field, it is the density of spacetime

in short longitudinal wave have both the direction of force and propagation perpendicular

transverse waves have the direction of propagation and force vertical

the E and B field is because spacetime distortion manifests it in a circle around the propagation of motion of a charge so it is impossible to make longitudinal EM waves, if you found a way to unravel the EM wave you would make gravitational waves , these are longitudinal, how would you make this though?
supposedly gravitational waves go round circles in the speed of light c , these combine to make all particles leptons such as electrons or quarks or photons, photons don't induce EM waves, when one electron and position anhilliate they make one photon, the photon is massless and chargeless because the gravitational waves nullified each other out BUT there is no real nullification with these waves, the only thing that happens is that you can't measure the field but both fields are there, much like you can't measure gravitational waves with a meter long stick, you'd need a planet scale long stick to measure the gradient, there are no absolute values, everything is relativistic, there is not zero point! there is no zero
if you would make an analogy of spacetime with an elastic medium the nullified field would be two opposing forces stretching this elastic medium, if you were right in the middle you wouldn't feel any force dragging you to either direction

the B field is more primary than the E field and it cannot be nullified just like you can't shield from gravity, you cant shield from B field either because they are the one and the same , theres no nullification of fields only nullification of our ability to measure

lets say you want to explore true EM you need to use sparks because in sparks there is actual charge velocity but inside conductors the charge velocity is very small because the metal lattice is using its closely packed atoms to transfer the charges with quantum leaping, in free space a spark or ion beam uses gases in very low pressure so the atomic distance is million of time greater than metal, the charges now actually have to travel themselves not only their quantum energy!

do you remember one russian guy podkletov? he made a rotating superconducting disk with sparks, the charges there are supposed to be on the surface of the disk so they move freely, he claimed gravitational effects but he couldn't reproduce the experiment and was fired, in case you want to try you need capital and equipment to even try something similar, only lab centers can do this and no one is going to put their name on the line to explore something that is so uncertain, sparks are certainly interesting, the speed of charges inside metal is there but its minuscule

Hi Geon,

You cannot pull energy from the environment?
I do not agree with that statement....
There are example of working systems that does this.

For me, it was interesting to hear from Bob Boyce how he was creating Scalar emf waves.
The interesting part is that he was pulsing his three primary coils in femto seconds timeframe.
That means that he puts a voltage across the coil, and takes it away, before current starts to flow.

you cant have voltage without current, voltage is the potential electric field and current is the electric field, its like saying you don't have gravity if you raise an apple to 100 meters, even with high speed electronics the actual charge acceleration can't be that great because inside metas there a lot of inertia and the charges can't accelerate
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Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2021, 08:45:40 am »


a longitudinal wave would be the gravitational wave or a sound wave because it only has one direction or charge

when you accelerate a charge you make an EM wave but these E and B components are transverse

if there was a magnetic monopole by shaking it you would make a longitudinal field like you do when you shake a mass you make gravitational waves

but EM fields are built to be transverse

when you increase the current in a straight wire another straight wire parallel to it has current induced in it in the opposite direction, this is due to faraday induction and lenz law, the EM wave is due to induction

the poynting vector is the product of E and B fields and is pointing towards the direction of the propagation but the force is always parallel or transverse to this direction

in the little wonder world I made the gravitational waves are the ones who make these fields, there is no way to make longitudinal EM waves because the gravitational waves are quantized, you can't build matter without following the quantization rules

so there are no electric fields no magnetic fields no weak force no nuclear force, there is only one universal force or field, it is the density of spacetime

in short longitudinal wave have both the direction of force and propagation perpendicular

transverse waves have the direction of propagation and force vertical

the E and B field is because spacetime distortion manifests it in a circle around the propagation of motion of a charge so it is impossible to make longitudinal EM waves, if you found a way to unravel the EM wave you would make gravitational waves , these are longitudinal, how would you make this though?
supposedly gravitational waves go round circles in the speed of light c , these combine to make all particles leptons such as electrons or quarks or photons, photons don't induce EM waves, when one electron and position anhilliate they make one photon, the photon is massless and chargeless because the gravitational waves nullified each other out BUT there is no real nullification with these waves, the only thing that happens is that you can't measure the field but both fields are there, much like you can't measure gravitational waves with a meter long stick, you'd need a planet scale long stick to measure the gradient, there are no absolute values, everything is relativistic, there is not zero point! there is no zero
if you would make an analogy of spacetime with an elastic medium the nullified field would be two opposing forces stretching this elastic medium, if you were right in the middle you wouldn't feel any force dragging you to either direction

the B field is more primary than the E field and it cannot be nullified just like you can't shield from gravity, you cant shield from B field either because they are the one and the same , theres no nullification of fields only nullification of our ability to measure

lets say you want to explore true EM you need to use sparks because in sparks there is actual charge velocity but inside conductors the charge velocity is very small because the metal lattice is using its closely packed atoms to transfer the charges with quantum leaping, in free space a spark or ion beam uses gases in very low pressure so the atomic distance is million of time greater than metal, the charges now actually have to travel themselves not only their quantum energy!

do you remember one russian guy podkletov? he made a rotating superconducting disk with sparks, the charges there are supposed to be on the surface of the disk so they move freely, he claimed gravitational effects but he couldn't reproduce the experiment and was fired, in case you want to try you need capital and equipment to even try something similar, only lab centers can do this and no one is going to put their name on the line to explore something that is so uncertain, sparks are certainly interesting, the speed of charges inside metal is there but its minuscule

Hi Geon,

You cannot pull energy from the environment?
I do not agree with that statement....
There are example of working systems that does this.

For me, it was interesting to hear from Bob Boyce how he was creating Scalar emf waves.
The interesting part is that he was pulsing his three primary coils in femto seconds timeframe.
That means that he puts a voltage across the coil, and takes it away, before current starts to flow.

you cant have voltage without current, voltage is the potential electric field and current is the electric field, its like saying you don't have gravity if you raise an apple to 100 meters, even with high speed electronics the actual charge acceleration can't be that great because inside metas there a lot of inertia and the charges can't accelerate

Again i do not agree.
If you put a voltage to a coil, the amperage is not starting to flow with topspeed ....see picture....
So, if you put the high voltage on a coil for a very short burst, a minimum of current will flow.....

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Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2021, 21:31:00 pm »
voltage is just current lag, imagine if you pressurize a water hose, you build a high-pressure potential (voltage) and when you open one end water flows (current), you can either not open the hose or open it very little, in this case, the voltage will be high since there is high potential inside, when you open the hose the pressure (voltage) drops and the water (current) flows, inside the wires the atoms of the metal lattice transfer the quantum energy of the excited electrons to each other, when a voltage potential is applied on the atoms their electrons can surpass the quantum potential well of their current quantum state and transfer is to the next atom, electrons don't exactly flow only their quantum energy flows

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Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2021, 08:59:14 am »
I think the longitudinal force component of EM fields is the same as the magnetomotive field for constant velocity, you can hardly measure it in copper wires because this only applies to each individual field of every charge so in order to create a longitudinal force component for an EM wave you need to use free charges where each charge has a real velocity and acceleration

it takes the same form as the regular EM wave equations but it's longitudinal to the EM wave propagation, it's the relative movement of each field. the reason you can measure the other transverse regular force component of the EM wave is because the field lines move transversely to the charge motion so it doesn't matter if each charge really moves or not since it doesn't travel at the same speed as the charge as it's almost zero inside wires