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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2021, 23:43:28 pm »
haha I can't figure out how energy is conserved yet with the longitudinal component

I know that the magnetomotive force has been measured in the 1940s so it's not a fictitious force plus these explain paradoxes all too well to be false

and again you can't measure this with wires, you must use open circuits such as sparks

maybe some superconductors would work? who said the magnetic field can do no work? how do you think induction is made? is it with magic fairies?

I think there is a more fundamental cause for lenz law, I mean in this theory the spacetime density is what creates all forces so even if you cant apply lenz law for longitudinal forces its because lenz law is incomplete and a more fundamental conservation law must be created, since even for longitudinal components the spacetime density is nullified when a particle's mass fills this void there is no more magnetic field in this region and more kinetic energy must be imparted to the prime particle for the energy of the system to be conserved so in essence the lenz law must be replaced by something else to account for longitudinal forces

when you apply the longitudinal force it is towards in one direction no matter the direction of the current or charge velocity
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« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2021, 22:27:52 pm »
do you remember podkletov or a similarly named scientist? he claimed he used a rotating superconducting disk and a gravitational type of force beam was created , he was later fired and other scientists could not replicate it, if you could hypothetically make free charges and rotate them or move them a longitudinal; force can be exerted which is not shieldable just like the magnetomotive force, in reality, this is not a "gravitational" force per se it's the longitudinal component of the EM wave but this is supposed to be exerted only on charged particles or I should say this can only work with conductors!! pretty much every material is conducting but this effect should be different depending on the conductance of the target

the experiments of the impulse gravity beam or whatever they call it depend on spark creation and basically the acceleration of free charges, a high voltage and  a quick discharge means more acceleration, by using superconductors the spark has even more acceleration this force has an a/r dependence
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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2021, 22:28:34 pm »
what hooper did was he put two cylindrical metal sheets forming a cylindrical air capacitor around a wire with DC current, the msgnetomotive force is towards the wire so the capacitor was charged, I think he also put the capacitor inside a faraday cage meaning he shielded the capacitor so no pseudocapacitance could be formed or double capacitance formed, the magnetomotive force is not shieldable because when we say that the em fields can be shielded we mean that in a faraday cage or in any metal conductor a suitable current is induced that cancels the starting em field shielding anything inside it but the regular lenz law doesn't apply with motional fields since the  resulting force's longitudinal

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« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2021, 22:05:11 pm »
let's say you want to create a B field in a wire loop, you can use the biot-savart law that has v speed in it and replace it with current to get the common wire loop law , in theory you could instead of driving more current rotate the wire loop with enough speed so the charges move with more speed hence more current hence more magnetic field, however there are some suggestions for this paradox, one is there are the same amount of negative electrons and the same amount of positive electron holes  so since both negative and positive charges move the B field is the same, another suggestion is that since the loop is rotating there is a length dilatation making the radius bigger and counterbalancing the extra speed for the effective B field but the first one is more plausible
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« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2021, 22:23:41 pm »
let's say you move two high voltage electrodes inside an ultra low-pressure gas

there are no electron holes in the gas, only one type of charge can move

an ion beam is a fine example of free charges

you can create a central field with enough engineering - no magnetic cusps needed for nuclear reactions

you can try it yourself use a shielded capacitor and put it near an AC wire , the capacitor will develop voltage , if the capacitor is shielded then you can't say there's parasitic capacitance

the capacitor works because the charges can move only on one axis since they are bound by the metal plate

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« Reply #61 on: December 25, 2021, 08:50:17 am »
what happens when you rotate yourself ? you're a frame of reference , the speed of any object is perceived by you multiplied by the radius or the distance to it

when you rotate you gain mass energy so the objects are perceived as being closer to you since spacetime density is altered near you

if you rotate then you cannot perceive objects farther than a critical distance d since at some distance the objects will have apparent speed equal to the speed of light

without transformations you rotate and perceive a light source at the critical distance d , then d=ct ,
you rotate with speed ω then c=ωd so c=ωct <=> t=1/ω or t=T one period so the light ray must do a full log spiral before reaching you

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« Reply #62 on: December 25, 2021, 23:36:33 pm »
suppose there's stationary light source A,  rotating observer B and stationary observers C and D

the distance of A to B , A to C, B to D and C to D is the critical distance d

A shoots a signal to B and C , as soon as B and C receive the signal from A they shoot a signal to D

D measures the difference in time between the two signals

the normal time for B should be exactly one period of the rotating frame or 1/ω , when you substitute the schwartzild metric for acceleration in SR you get 1/γ=sqrt(1-ad/c^2) , t'=γt and d=ct , t=d/c
Δt'=γΔt <=>
1/ω = 1/sqrt(1-ad/c^2) t <=> 1/ω = d/sqrt(1-ad/c^2)c  <=> ω = sqrt(1-ad/c^2)c / d <=> ω^2 d^2 = (1-ad/c^2) c^2 <=> ω^2 d  = (c^2/d -a) <=> a' = c^2/d-a but a'=a then a=c^2/d-a <=> a=c^2/2d maybe smthing's wrong

the acceleration is similar for linear and circular motion

the rotating frame is an effective spacetime distortion since rotating frames have increased mass energy and bodies are accelerated towards them with acceleration a

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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2021, 07:20:50 am »
what this means is the farthest we can observe is d=c^2/2g or d=c^2 for earth
inside black holes where g is large the distance is smaller

but the gravitational acceleration g=GM/d^2 <=> d=c^2/2 * d^2/GM <=> d=d^2 c^2 /2GM <=> d=2GM/c^2 the schwartzild radius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius