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Title: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2010, 14:45:27 pm
Hi Steve
                   I have had difficulty getting on, as I had to re do my computer.
   Looking at the thread generation using magnets, I was hoping that we would be talking about magnets, and not the influence that they may have in a gas.
  I have be called in to help some one, yes magnetic motors and alternators, so I will not go into why, but I have a chance of putting one together if I can show that ‘my one’ is ok.
I went into this when looking for alternative power, I have come to a stop on the plasma unit for the time being, and since this came up I have decided to get involved.
The tall order is as every one is trying to do build a unit that can be useful, there are a number that are supposed to be at a ‘commercial level’ that is I pay you some money and I get a fully working USEFUL gen set.   THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED YYET AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.     So if I after I have done a few tests I may have a chance to build one with SOME ONE ELSES MONEY.  I will have to be careful has this guy use to have a 45 magnum.
I will try and share what I can but I may not be able to give you the absolute details as a 45 magnum can be very persuasive.
So I will start another thread in my slot. Useful power to me is at least 6kW either at single phase 240V or three phase, the next two useful ones are 15, and 25kW.
The design that I have may be possible, now there are a number of issues that what I have found out may be why some of them have not sold like ‘hot cakes’, two of them here for example, one has a court injunction stopping him from going any further, the other Luteck I can not find out why his has not got very far, but since I have now been brought into the area, I will try and find out. Some one I know built one, he has a mechanical and electrical and an electrics degree, but it failed so I heard on the grape vine, not enough output or power, he gave up.
So I now have a new challenge.

Aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2010, 23:56:24 pm
Hi Aussepom

What kind of equipment is this?
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2010, 06:53:46 am
Hi the equipment has not been made or started, but the the idea is not all new just a different slant, when I get my self organised I will explain why I think why some of these unit that may work are not getting any futher, no it is not the conspisy therory it is simplyer thann that.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 08, 2010, 14:22:41 pm
Hi there
                well the cad design is well on its way I will be seeing the macheen  shop soon to check the the pans out to see if there is any problems.
it is complicated, it has three main rotor, two alternator and magnetic rotor stators two end unit that can be for alternator , braking.  120magnets 30 X 30 rod.

     size approximatly  550 mm dia by 350 long.   that is about all that I can tell you for the time being


   steve tried to call you on skpe the other day then I saw that it was around 5.00 am

aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 08, 2010, 20:19:17 pm
I am willing to help out on interesting projects like this, I know shipping would be a lot from Canada to Australia, but I might be able to offer you free labor in the machine shop if you pay for materials and shipping. Can do just about anything to 0.0005" accuracy when required.
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 08, 2010, 22:45:34 pm
Hi there
                well the cad design is well on its way I will be seeing the macheen  shop soon to check the the pans out to see if there is any problems.
it is complicated, it has three main rotor, two alternator and magnetic rotor stators two end unit that can be for alternator , braking.  120magnets 30 X 30 rod.

     size approximatly  550 mm dia by 350 long.   that is about all that I can tell you for the time being


   steve tried to call you on skpe the other day then I saw that it was around 5.00 am

aussepom

Hi Brian,

Yeh, it was 5.00am and i was still at work..... But at the moment you called, i was not behind my laptop.
Well, talk to you soon, mr. Aussie  ;)

Steve
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 09, 2010, 02:29:40 am
Hi there
              Well the machining is under control here so that I can keep an eye on it, there is still some more work to be done but it does look promising.
At this stage I can not see why it would not work, as some of the technology is already being used.  I all ways make some tests, then try and find some thing wrong with the design. Then if I am convinced myself that it has an 80% or better of working, and I would if I had the money would I build it my self.
This is my criteria, I have used it on my other stuff, and this approach has served me well.
 The  system, to produce a power output, rectify to DC to a battery bank, it will be a pulsed start, it should free run, or it may need a very small input pulsing to keep it running. There should be enough energy to drive a frequency alternator, we have one in mind.
A frequency alternator is the similar to a wind turbine generator, the voltage will rise proportionally with the speed.  Only most have limitations, like if it goes to fast, to slow.
I am hoping that I will not need to use the alternator, that the unit will have enough to power its self, if needed and to produce a big enough use full output.  This size of the diameter, I could go larger, the idea here is using leverage to get the highest torque, from what I have.
Well that will do for the moment, this system is to be put to the chap that I was helping, and told him what he had was no good.
Now to spend another $10 to 15,000 on another project may not be acceptable to him, if this is the case then I will consider putting it all in the open.
As I certainly do not have the funds.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 09, 2010, 03:23:16 am
Does this relate to the Flynn patent at all?
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 09, 2010, 14:44:35 pm
hi there
                       not to my knowledge, this is my own design, using gathered knowledge, this was sketched out over 5 or 6 years ago, revised again around 2  1/2 yrs ago when i was looking for alternative power option for my proceses, I when ito it but at the time the cost was way out of my pocket, so I went down the road of the plasma generation.
I have been aske to look into this for  well lets say a 'client',  his project was dead, so I am sugesting one of my own designes. it may get built I do not know this is in the negotiating stage, but the design is 90% finished.  I find that trying to go into old patents may lead you up the wrong path I like to do it my way, think for my self and I can think outside of the box.
I do look at information that is relevent, and do take interest in what is said, such as tom breaden. I think thats right.
 so in a word no.
 I did speak to John Christie from Lutec today , to find out why his process is not doing so well, I also looked into the way that he was operating his project.
 for 100watts input you would get 440watts out put.   his system is a DC motor driven rotor, with a perment mag rotor, the pulsed out put is from induced pulses into a iron cored pole pieces, laminated I would say, this output is rectified,  normal stuff after that just into a battery pack from there you drive your load throug an invertor.
well I hope that has helped you.
aussepom

Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 09, 2010, 20:14:59 pm
I hope you have great success with this design and project.

Looking forward to following the excitement.
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2010, 10:44:38 am
 Hi there

      the machine shop looked at the design today, there will be no pro do the job, now for those out there think on this    if all the magnetic fields with in the motor were in a vacumm what diference would it make??   will it improve the magnetic fielf or not?   
this some thoughts because of the design
the next stage will be some testing.
some of this I will be able to hare, it seems that if the tests are ok  then the 'client'' will go ahead with the very large investment.
Some of my fiding I will be able to share.
aussepom


















Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2010, 10:50:52 am
The magnetic permeability of air is only 1.00000037 the magnetic permeability of the vacuum. not really a difference, vacuum is not worth the effort. Unless you want to minimize the friction of your rotating parts if there are any.
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2010, 15:16:08 pm
Hi there

               the rotating parts and the magnet and coils due to the design is a closed compatment i was discussing today on putting in vetilation into the enclosed area, the rotating parts are al in there and so is the magnetic fields   that was the reason for the enquiry,
 it would be easy to pull a vac in there.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2010, 19:26:17 pm
If you have a magnetic field moving across a gap, you know the magnetic field falls off at radius^2, so usually these gaps are 0.005"

If there is heat involved, you will want cooling... think of an alternator, has a tight gap, and cooling fan, but, if you have a strong vacuum, then you have a perfect insulator because heat will not travel through a vacuum, so if it's hot on the outside you can cool it from the outside but if it is getting hot on the inside and it is surrounded by a vacuum then it will not be able to cool, unless you have internal cooling of course... and if you are dealing with high temperatures then you have to think about the maximum temperatures the magnets can withstand before they loose their magnetic properties
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 11, 2010, 00:36:51 am
hi there

               thanks guys for the feed back on that, I may then for a start put in ventilation, if there is no other advantage.
 
         on with the testing.
     aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2010, 13:23:00 pm
Hi there
                    air gap well I think it is all how strong you magnetic field is, 5thou is not practical unless you have top bearings, and the unit well machined.

          I also think that it is the way that you design the unit. most motors and alternators have a bigger air gap than that, 2 to 3mm or around 3/16ths.
 
           If you take the axial flux approach, and also use the Tom Breadens thinking of  repelling magnetism.   

The Bedini ten pole energizer, if any of you can get some information it would be helpful to our group.
Such as the out put AC before it is rectified, the rectified DC and its voltage and current.
Why, well he shows a big set of batteries, they look like 19 plater’s, if he can supply a big enough charge to a 24 or 48v system, you may be able to use it for alternative power.

I can not find any out put stuff, he mentioned 1800amp hour batteries, I would say that was the total of the battery bank.
So they could supply 100amps for 18 hours, but at what voltage. Was the battery bank 12 24  48 ? or 2x6V 900 A/H
With out this information you could not spend $US5,000.

My system should be a lot better, thing of using both ends of the magnets.
If you do get a big enough supply, think about  using this system on your house.
I hope the attach comes out may have to save it as a pic.
 
Here is the caption to go with it
The Bedini Energizer could be your alternative power supply, or your own
What is required is a new switch board, (take it to another home) remove all the house circuit from the bottom of the fuses or breakers connect then to the new board. Have a legal power outlet fitted alongside your old switch board, this is used to trickle  or charge the battery bank. The battery bank now supplies your power via a DC to AC inverter to your new switch board.
The is know as a no break system, and a more complicated version is used by many large information companies that use big computer systems.   So do the same, if you have a big enough alternative power supply.

aussepom

               
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 04:18:03 am
Hi there
                  While many of dive into the wonders of the magnetic motor and or alternator, I also as you see have been travelling down that path. I have been looking into why some have not got any further than a demonstration model, or doing what Bedini is doing, making money from ‘demonstration’, or experimental machines.
The calling of his machines by a particular name, in my opinion gets him around a number of laws that are in many countries, prohibiting the claim of ‘perpetual motion machines’ the US is one of them. The US company that set up over here CME the ‘Cycclone motor’ made some terrible mistakes with the Australian laws, that was the main reason for forcing them into liquidation. Not having a Australian Financial Services Licence, was one of the main things, and unregistered company was another. Here in Australia while it is not against the law to claim perpetual motion, proving that you can do it is another thing.   
My unit while it would I hope have enough the cover the power used in the ‘assisted pulsed’ power for the unit, will have enough power to drive a separate alternator that will have enough output to recharge the battery bank that would supply all the power for the load and for the mag system.
Just some thoughts.
aussepom   
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 06:07:16 am
I wouldn't consider a permanent magnet motor a perpetual motion machine anyway, the magnets will only last 100 years...
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 06:48:48 am
Hi there yes I agree but,
                  There is an argument that seems is not used with the sceptics, A coil is a storage device, of energy, and as is a capacitor, all man made, capacitors many years ago it was thought that a 1 farad capacitor would be so large that it could or would be to big to be practical, now they are used in computers in place of batteries.
Magnets have been around for eons, they to are a storage device, a storage of magnetic energy,  and as the years have go by these too have got better and stronger, they will ‘wear out’, loose there magnetism, high heat will affect them. So why do not the ‘normal’ engineers see this, if magnets can be arranged to give us motion, it may seem to be ‘perpetual motion’ but it is not, eventually it will loose it’s ‘stored magnetism’, just like the soft iron core of a coil will. I know that I may be preaching to the already converted.     
Just some thoughts.
aussepom   
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 06:53:50 am
Hi again
                  some info that I can tell you at the moment, it will have 116, magnets, and 48 coils, I will not know any more until i have done some tests on the setup.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 07:40:38 am
Cool, can't wait to hear about your results.

I would rather tell people... it's powered by the magnets, if you start saying perpetual motion and free energy then you'll just get more headaches than you need, it would be fair enough to say "i'm extracting energy from the magnets...", because if you say free energy then a bunch of bafoons are going to jump down your throat...

it may be free energy... but hey, magnets are expensive! say you have 116 magnets and depending on what size... say $10 each, then you have over $1000 of magnets, so to get $1000 of electricity you need 10,000 kWh (at 10 cents/ kWh) ... or you'd need to power your house for about 10 years to pay it off...

Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 10:03:34 am
Hi DonaldWfc

                             I do not think that it would work on $10 mags, here in Australia that would be around $A20, list for these is $A64, but when you buy more the price drops dramatically.  I have to buy two slabs of alum, 1200x1200mm one at 40mm and the other at 6mm, so you see this is not some toy, it is a commercial project, if my tests work out. This is why I will not be able to explain the really nitty gritty stuff, if the 'client' goes for the design after tests and I am happy, then I will as you may understand have to keep quiet about most of it, but it does not stop me from telling you of the progress and giving out hints.
I hope you will understand. To me it is a magnet motor/alternator I will not be claiming perpetual motion. The biggest worry of my design at the moment is stopping it I have several option because of the design, I will know better when I get the sample coils wound.
There is a limit to the size that you can go to, in my own opinion, mostly a practical one.
I think that the maximum that I would be able to get to would be around the 25kw, at 240v that’s 104amps, or at 110v a wopping 227amps. To me this  could be the max, but if there was an extra mag unit on it, then it could possible go higher.  For me the 12 to 16kW unit is about the right size to market. May be a 6kW unit as well
Who know I may bomb out like the rest, but I do not work on any thing that does not have at least an 80% chance of working, that is why pre testing is important.
aussepom

Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 14:35:41 pm
Nice, do you have a target price for your device once it is finished?
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2010, 00:54:24 am
Hi Donaldwfc
                          No not as yet, as you will understand if things go ok, the a production unit would be a lot lower price than the prototype. how ever the material cost may not get much cheaper, you can only get so much off the price of a slab of alum, and again the magnet the same deal, the  control systems would be lower.
even so if for a fully reliable unit in the 6,12,25kW it would be worth it, and there is a plan for the car, it would be a maggenset provining power to a set of batteries, but you would only be looking at around a 48v sytem, and you would not need a masive amper/hour ones either, drive iwould be all wheel disk.drum motors on each wheel, so the cars that already have this would be easily converted, but that is along way down the track. first we have to tackle the power companies.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2010, 01:17:59 am
hi just an update   there is actually 126 magnets, the 48 coils, 24 of them will be the main working ones, and the others could be as well. 24 of them ar duel purpose.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2010, 03:13:23 am
Yo, mate, you might consider the dynamics of adiabatic cooling in the use of vacuum; allowing the vacuum to come and go during operation may solve any heat issue.

Then again, I think you will have a predominately cold process going on there...

I dunno

Turtle
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2010, 11:34:25 am
hi keith
                    well are talking double duch to me with that stuff, oh sorry a duchman may be reading, I no speka that language turtle.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2010, 12:26:14 pm
hi keith
                    well are talking double duch to me with that stuff, oh sorry a duchman may be reading, I no speka that language turtle.
aussepom


Well........shoot me....i am dutch...


Steve
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2010, 14:03:38 pm
haha nice one aussepom  ;D


anyway, what makes you sure your device will work?
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2010, 14:20:48 pm
hi steve could not help the pun,  and haithar,  well you do not know untill you do some testing on the parts that you may be in doubt from. since no one has yet got a real unit working that can be bought to do a useful  output, or can drive a alternator for a good output, as I have said before, there is no comercial unit available, and the reasonable output is 6kW and above.  So I have a good design I think, from work that I did some 5 to 6ysrs ago.  and you wil never know unless you try.
 oh yes done some more work on the test rig, its comming along, and I should have the test coils in a few days.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 19, 2010, 03:48:18 am
<groan>

I'm Pennsylvania dutch, but no worries, mate...

Adiabatic cooling is the event that occurs when pressure changes to a lower state and the effect of the heat being distributed over a larger volume necessarily reduces the relative ambient heat value for a given volume, and vice versa.

It is a common thermodynamic function; many systems rely on the process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process

Whether it could apply to your device is uncertain.

There; what's so hard about that?

<groan, again>

Turtle, going deep
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 19, 2010, 04:12:01 am
hi turtle, thank you, filed in the knowledge book, I have to go out in the heat to do some work, its at the 30's again, no not F deg   centigrade.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2010, 17:54:51 pm
Hi some quick peeks at the pulse mag motor running, it will take three posts, just down load them and run them after eachother. it woull look good in the dark, there is no snubbing across the contacts, and they eventually burnt out, easy to fix.
No electronics running it just plain old DC.
there is only power aross one coil at any one time, peaks at 2.8amps, I vary the voltage, starts at 24 I did take it up to 60v, and I was also getting an output, but this is no load and I am only checking the 'motor' side of it at the moment, five mags on the rotor, four on the stator, 30mm long 30mm dia.
a devel to work on with spaners!
aussepom
post one I am going to tyr it on one go
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2010, 06:11:26 am
Hi guys
                 this as now progressed at first to micro sws, and now to a no contact infra red diode operation, running silent, I have been up to  620 RPM, but I have heating problems with the fets, but this is now being addressed, the aim is to get to 1,000 RPM, this is when the driven bolted on car alternator will kick in, I am still getting an output from the coils, this has been all been changed, I am getting all the BEMF out as well. It only has one rotor so I am only getting out half the power that I could. but it is good, it can be controlled easy, it is now down on the input current, only peaking a 3amps at 620RPM with about 55v input. however the 3 amps time the 55 volts will not give you the true power used, you have to take .7 of that 2.1a  then then times by 55 to give average power per second as in watts,  55 x 2.1 = 155watts it can get complicated because of the time on period, this is mechanically fixed, but as the speed increases the pulse time on is shorter, the voltage is higher but the current does not change much. however this all comes down to an .334 constant.
ausspom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2010, 10:21:16 am
Hi guys
                 this as now progressed at first to micro sws, and now to a no contact infra red diode operation, running silent, I have been up to  620 RPM, but I have heating problems with the fets, but this is now being addressed, the aim is to get to 1,000 RPM, this is when the driven bolted on car alternator will kick in, I am still getting an output from the coils, this has been all been changed, I am getting all the BEMF out as well. It only has one rotor so I am only getting out half the power that I could. but it is good, it can be controlled easy, it is now down on the input current, only peaking a 3amps at 620RPM with about 55v input. however the 3 amps time the 55 volts will not give you the true power used, you have to take .7 of that 2.1a  then then times by 55 to give average power per second as in watts,  55 x 2.1 = 155watts it can get complicated because of the time on period, this is mechanically fixed, but as the speed increases the pulse time on is shorter, the voltage is higher but the current does not change much. however this all comes down to an .334 constant.
ausspom

Sounds like a big challange, Brian! Power calculations are a pain sometimes, when it is not strait DC... ;) ;)
 
 
Steve
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2010, 17:12:40 pm
Hi Steve
                  yes it was a big challenge but it is done the concept has been proven in what I was doing, and there will be shortly a full prototype built shortly, what I have been working with was a test rig that was modified several times to prove each part of the process, this is the last part finding a good combination of Fets that I can use with out going to expensive, when you blow an $A12 one it is not all that bad, I only have four on the test rig. I have blown a few, there is a new type of coil configuration that I want to try for the separate alternator, if it work as I think it will, it will mean a big leap forward for this type of thing, and for the wind turbine generators. I have my own ideas on that, but one thing at a time. this unit will give home owners all the power that they need, and it will eventually end up in the EV cars, take out the 1.4ICE and replace it with this to generate power, this will give the EV's an extended range, or even unlimited, but the EV has to be the size of a mid range car, like a the Volt, or a mazda 6. the battery pack will only be as high as 96 or 108v, some of the converted cars over here are using between 6 to 8" DC motors, these are ideal, two fitted inline at the front and rear along the line of the rear drive  axils, and where a 4WD would be at the front. It will be interesting soon, and so far the car companies do not know what I am up to, but to have home power generation that is free is a dream almost there. Many just want to rip people off, but this is a serious attack it may take most power companies by surprise, bad luck they had a chance here to back my plasma conversion unit, and that is being brought back out, with a big powerful RF power supply.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 16:06:59 pm
hi I had magnetic interference as was to be expected, could have gone out further 4" would have solved the problem
 so made cam used industrial roller plunger micros, all good now, new 600w dissipation Fets fitted, and I have cracked the magic over unity, had a run of  COP 19. and at just over 500 rpm.
so it can be done. This is only a test rig with only one rotor, with two rotor it would be twice the current. However I do no care.  I am on track to build a fully engineered unit, output expected of over 15kW and all free power.
 aussepom

 
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 16:17:29 pm
hi I had magnetic interference as was to be expected, could have gone out further 4" would have solved the problem
 so made cam used industrial roller plunger micros, all good now, new 600w dissipation Fets fitted, and I have cracked the magic over unity, had a run of  COP 19. and at just over 500 rpm.
so it can be done. This is only a test rig with only one rotor, with two rotor it would be twice the current. However I do no care.  I am on track to build a fully engineered unit, output expected of over 15kW and all free power.
 aussepom

Thats very impressive Aussepom!
Hope one day you enlight us on how to achieve COP 19!!!!
 
Congratulations!
 
Steve
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 16:47:01 pm
Nice to hear! Is this going to be a private or public source project :P
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 17:20:58 pm
Hi
          private, I would not have got this far with out help, that was only money help,  now a large investor is interested but there are a few thing that I have done during the project that could be shared, or point you in the right direction.  and Steve it could go higher to  COP 32 at around 700 RPM but I have to watch the power dissipation on the fets
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 17:49:48 pm
Understandable, sounds like an exciting time


What direction pointing things can you share? What principles or theory are you using to approach the design?
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 22:37:30 pm
Hi
          private, I would not have got this far with out help, that was only money help,  now a large investor is interested but there are a few thing that I have done during the project that could be shared, or point you in the right direction.  and Steve it could go higher to  COP 32 at around 700 RPM but I have to watch the power dissipation on the fets
aussepom

COP 32 ..............
I am speechless, Brian!
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2010, 07:18:15 am
Hi Steve
                  It was pointed out to me yesterday by my friendly scientist, that why bother to go any further than 500RPM, I was trying to get to 1,000 RPM. this at first seem to be the target that I wanted, the COP at a 1,000 RPM is in the 40's, and that is even with out the power from the 'Car Alternator' that would not kick in until I got to a 1,000, it is direct drive, I was looking at fitting a 2 -1 pulley, I may still do that and just stay around the 500 to 600RPM. on the test rig it would give another 10 to 15 amps.  The full prototype will have a new type of designed coil in the separate alternator. this has to be tested yet. and should give out a real big output.
As for the share part, some information gained while doing this has given me a new look at Vertical axis wind generators, I now have what I think is a good design, will have to draw it up.
there is one tip that I can give you, forget about trying to 'mimic' a normal alternator, and this alternating magnets. When you have to try and do things with no money, little parts, but a bit of this and that, normally called 'junk', just to see if some thing will work, when all the engineers tell you it can not, this is when you come up with good ideas, practical, and simple.
Your brain has to figure it out, even as old as I am.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2010, 17:51:53 pm
hi guys
Well that was Monday but Wednesday, in front of witnesses, two were investors, I did a COP of 2.4 , but I have had it up to just short of 20 at around 560RPM, and that is still with only one rotor, two rotors twice the current, yes and still the same input.
Waiting to charge up some small 12v batteries with my friends Berdini battery charger, they were taken out of some job, and there were a few a bit down. then I can do anther test that I have in mind.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2010, 20:58:44 pm
hi guys
Well that was Monday but Wednesday, in front of witnesses, two were investors, I did a COP of 2.4 , but I have had it up to just short of 20 at around 560RPM, and that is still with only one rotor, two rotors twice the current, yes and still the same input.
Waiting to charge up some small 12v batteries with my friends Berdini battery charger, they were taken out of some job, and there were a few a bit down. then I can do anther test that I have in mind.
aussepom

Sounds like a dream.How was the reaction of the investors? Did they believe what they seen?
Hope you get some money and get it up to a higher development level.
 
Steve
 
 
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 10, 2010, 09:09:10 am
Hi
    the one that was a tech electronics, the way that it was show, and fully exlained, they saw the meters readings for them selves and another did the calculations, so there was no hidden smoke and mirrors. well yes they were a little short on words.
When you can see the cam and with out a shadow of doubt that the power can only be on for that short period and off for the rest, it was a good idea to show with out and funny electronics.
aussepom
Title: Re: Aussepom goes magnetic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2018, 06:47:56 am
Hi just re-visited this, well you can now see some of the vids of the prototype yes all wood but for the magnets, there was two rotors to start and four coils and ten magnets five in each rotor, then there was another rotor and several tests were done well lots really.
120w electrical in, and 400W out electrical and mechanical, mechanical was 5ft/lbs torque.
Soon a new one to be fully machined and with the new super caps it is a whole new ball game. There are some look like this now as it was on Utube but I pulled it off and off photo bucket. Many were following what I was doing and so since some are  or look like mine and may have tried to copy it. They all have made many big mistakes as as they all follow like sheep so all have the same problem
Well it was nice visiting this page again.