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Re: My Next VIC Design-Coulombs and Stuff
« on: March 01, 2013, 20:30:57 pm »
I just mean you must mach impedance...

this is impossible if the water impedance is low or even a changing one.

i guess thats why he used the collapse to transmit it so the energy need to go to the water does not matter what you do! Is a kind of smps

would be comparable with boost mode...

I repeat

40 amps diode

40kv

40w - 2kw

40kv

5-10khz

sizes described for wfc

two chokes

a transistor and dc source

just make the math of the coulombs point of view

For example 40kv capacitor discharged into a 1000ohms "resistor" circuit gives 40 amps for an instant of time dropping thereafter! 


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Re: Re: My Next VIC Design-Coulombs and Stuff
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 22:43:33 pm »
do you understand what i mean?

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Re: Re: My Next VIC Design-Coulombs and Stuff
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2013, 01:38:36 am »
Your explanations don't make sense to me. You cannot have amps with 0 voltage.  And you have now introduced a time element.   With time introduced to power, you are now measuring Wh, power over time.

As I have stated before, volts and amps are measurement units which combined give measurement of power.  There are different ways of expressing power, measuring power and transforming power.   But you cannot interchangeably use volts and amps as they measure units of two different things.

I completed my new coils.  I have tested them with a standard PWM and I get a significant charge with near zero current on my cell.  I think I blew out a diode on my gated pulse generator so it will be a little longer before I get to try it with the gated pulse.  But I get a very decent radiant spark on the leads going to the WFC when connecting/disconnecting when powered on.  The voltage spikes to thousands.

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Re: Re: My Next VIC Design-Coulombs and Stuff
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 07:17:29 am »
I created much high voltage reaching sparks over 15cm length with a giant trasformer i build once and it did nothing to the water...

If you input energy to a capacitor (plug it to a voltage source) it will charge up to the point it equals the voltage....

If you disconnect it nothing happens... if you connect it to a resistor the current density will begin at its maximum I=V/R

In a coil if you connect it to a source voltage it will induce a current to flow... this current is associated with the energy stored in the coil if you  short the coil after charging it with current, this current will keep flowing in the same direction for a "long" time and only equal and oposite to the applied voltage sice current is now slowing down, now if you instead open the switch it will develop infinite voltage in theory!! because its only limited to the capacitance which is where the energy goes when the field collapses... since the current has no way to go, it becomes voltage potential..

normally this capacitance is the mosfet... which is the problem ever since to me..

The numbers are indicators... for example...

with the watts used and the frequency you can determine the discharge per pulse in joules... with this you know how many amps you need in the primary...

think of the two choke as a transformer or something like, the coils are in series (with a diode) and the middle point is where the mosfet goes, to one side goes dc the other to the cell and the other plate of the cell goes to ground... simple as that..

during pulse on the diode prevents conduction since the voltage is = and oposite in the coil thereto limiting the current thru the cell...
during pulse off the circuit become two chains where one raise the potential of the drain node in the circuit and the other chain lower its potential... since at the start of the discharge we can consider the capacitor dischrged and as its voltage can-t vary without giving coulombs to it we know that at the instant where the mosfet opens the circuit the circuit will discharge very fast into the water, sending all the power to the water.. except for that dissipated in the mosfet and coils...

You can call this power compress.. you can charge with 40 watts but discharging 40kw peaks! or more 40MW 

because power depends on time...

do you see my point?


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Re: Re: My Next VIC Design-Coulombs and Stuff
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 07:22:35 am »
in my opinion this peaks are the key

since if you could apply a big enough power you could create chain reactions! Even if just for an instant of time!

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Re: Re: My Next VIC Design-Coulombs and Stuff
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2013, 20:36:23 pm »
I would say that resonance in this case instead of a propriety is one possibility, that allows dump even more energy into the system...

what happens if you put 5 amps into a capacitor for one second? well if its 1 faraday capacitor it would develop 5 volts in 1 seconds... assuming constant current...
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Re: Re: My Next VIC Design-Coulombs and Stuff
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2013, 21:24:02 pm »
I would say that resonance in this case instead of a propriety is one possibility, that allows dump even more energy into the system...

what happens if you put 5 amps into a capacitor for one second? well if its 1 faraday capacitor it would develop 5 volts in 5 seconds... assuming constant current...

5A at how many volts?  0V?  1V? 100V?  You cannot measure power in just amps or just voltage!  For example, if you put your "5 amps" into a capacitor at 10V, would that be the same as putting your "5 amps" into a capacitor at 100V?  Of course not.  Power (P) = Volts (V) * Amps (I).  P=VI.

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Re: Re: My Next VIC Design-Coulombs and Stuff
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 04:45:23 am »
Maybe... maybe not so little...

I'm talking about energy since E=L*I^2

I'm not talking about amps only...

the amps are there because you are applying voltage anyhow to make them flow into a coil.

I don't understand how you don't understand that guys?

I'm talking about an inductor discharging into a capacitor... the water