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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2016, 17:55:37 pm »
thats 18awg.. should go ok  with up to 16 amps before fuse.... hhehe

i havent figured it either...

do you know about relaxation?

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2016, 18:06:23 pm »
Yah, but the thing is, you should never ever need that much current.  Ronnie has been reluctant to comment on whether someone else's configuration should or shouldn't work and rightfully so as he realizes he doesn't know what other configurations could work and what calculations others have done.  I have tried to maintain a similar attitude.  That being said, and yes I can be blunt in the way I say it, I think you're trying too hard to throw power at this thing to force it to give you the voltages you're looking for.

When a coil goes to discharge when it doesn't have a constant current flowing through it, it will try to discharge as quickly as possible.  It may have been charged with only, let's say for example, 20V.  But if the current wasn't flowing or stopped for whatever reason once it was charged, it will discharge with thousands of volts in an instant with minimal current.  This is the trick with the VIC.  Not just trying to step up the voltage with the turns ratio.  It's stopping the current via properly connecting the coils so that their mutual inductance opposes each other and through resonance so that the coils discharge instantaneously.

I'm probably not explaining this accurately in its application in the VIC.  But I have enough experience with my own experiments to see these effects.

Not sure what you mean about "relaxation".

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2016, 18:52:02 pm »
Yes man that a good posture to take when we are dealing with science... respect is a base... me too prefere to suport instead of distort someone thoughts.. .

yes your are totaly corrent in that a coil will discharge to the most highvoltage if the current stops...this is my point with my vic... i want the secondary to charge the cell and chokes capacitance during pulse on but on the pulse off collapse the chokes capacitance sums with the chokes voltage on the discharge...

the correct way of seeing is that a coil will develp a current and this current wont like to stop.. so it will jump acrosswhatever resistor you pull into it but the time of this discharge will be so as fast as it is the L/R ratio

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Re: Theory - Low Resistance is Preferable in VIC Coils [CORRECTED]
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2016, 19:23:30 pm »
I just wanna jump in this thread to mention that all Stan's research is based on the concept and testing that can be found in the documents "Electrically Induced Explosions in Water" which can be found here on my website http://www.globalkast.com/docs/Electrically_Induced_Explosions_in_Water.zip

Basically it says the cell has a very low resistance, usually less than 10 ohms. From what I can tell, they are charging the inductors and then allowing the stored energy to discharge into the cell.

Another thing you can also say is that the Secondary is in Parallel with the cell, but the Inductors are in Series with the cell...kinda like a series-parallel circuit.

New information on this.  According to Gpssonar, we find the resistance of the water cell simply using V=IR.  In my case, my entire water cell is 480ohm.

This changes everything posted in this thread.  Low impedance coils are not the answer.

Okay, and what is the applied dc voltage, 1, 6, 12,  24, 1kV to measure 480ohms at your cell?

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2016, 19:26:27 pm »
I measure the resistance of the water in the cell with straight DC and calculate actual resistance using V=IR according to Ronnie's instruction.

Then, impedance match the coils to be equal to the water resistance of a single cell.  Remember the transmission line?

I will only refer to information that Ronnie has made public.  But even as he said, he has given enough information now for people who know what is going on to be able to do it.  My own work hasn't deviated much from the direction of Ronnie's and I have made adjustments to mine based on what I have learned from his information.

There isn't enough information, on how the Re of 78.54 (23dC) is applied in the formula using the 4 inch WFC dimension.

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2016, 19:28:12 pm »
in my case i did my vic to have the secondary to charge the cell and chokes to 600vapplying 10v or so but when the field collapse the 600v of the chokes parasite capacitance will sum with the collapse field of the chokes and discharge into the cell

iwill try other ways too but this seems to be doing the frequency doubling isnt it?.


webmug pugling this on coax impedance give a low impedance for the small cell coax


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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2016, 19:35:49 pm »
If the coils and wc reactance is tuned to be the same on both sides at a given frequency they will cancel out at resonance leaving pure ohmic resistance.

Wrong! The coils impedance is the Zt and are the reactances where the voltage is produced and not cancel out both side leaving pure ohmic resistance. Total impedance Z is the reactance plus the pure coils Resistance. The same voltage is applied from both chokes connected opposite in polarities B+,B- to the Array.

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2016, 21:27:00 pm »
If the coils and wc reactance is tuned to be the same on both sides at a given frequency they will cancel out at resonance leaving pure ohmic resistance.

Wrong! The coils impedance is the Zt and are the reactances where the voltage is produced and not cancel out both side leaving pure ohmic resistance. Total impedance Z is the reactance plus the pure coils Resistance. The same voltage is applied from both chokes connected opposite in polarities B+,B- to the Array.

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