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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2016, 16:20:03 pm »
TS i can have depending on water many resistances ranging from 10ohm to 40kohm

how does it tell you that the resistance of the coil would change anything?

i´m testing  a theory that tells me that if stan restricted the amps using the coils only as a field source the way to go would actually as he himself describe on the new zealand (design a bigger one as needed) bigger means bigger... higher length and or thickness..

For my mechanical analysis of the problem.. if the cell is a capacitor it is a spring.. the coil is the mass...

voltage is the pressure and current the displacement in this problem...




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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2016, 16:33:56 pm »
I measure the resistance of the water in the cell with straight DC and calculate actual resistance using V=IR according to Ronnie's instruction.

Then, impedance match the coils to be equal to the water resistance of a single cell.  Remember the transmission line?

I will only refer to information that Ronnie has made public.  But even as he said, he has given enough information now for people who know what is going on to be able to do it.  My own work hasn't deviated much from the direction of Ronnie's and I have made adjustments to mine based on what I have learned from his information.

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2016, 17:01:59 pm »
i have tried some of this matching resistance stuf.. .but seriously i do not believe totally into this part... or at least it is not the all story... how about the turn count?

this is not what stan describes at first glance at least i can add a variable resistor any time in a circuit to match the impedance the question is match what to what? and even more critical why?

reformulating why the coil resistance and cell dc resistance is so important if we want to restric the amps  this only mean to me that the same power would be dissipated on either side no?

there are many ways the coils can be arranged... i tried many i got up to 50kv going to the isolated bath...
not a bubble on very pure water

if air has dielectric breadown of 3kvmm water molecules is in the order of  250kv/mm ... on very pure water the electrostatic field that holds the ions in the matrix is around 25kv/mm

wish i could understand




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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2016, 17:15:13 pm »
I don't worry about the turn count.  I overwind the coils past the approximate resistance zone, mainly based on coil weight.  I then measure the coils inductance and tune them to each side of the cap.  Of course I have an idea of the number of turns and sizes of the coils.  The resistance of each coil should still be in the zone of the water resistance.  If the coils and wc reactance is tuned to be the same on both sides at a given frequency they will cancel out at resonance leaving pure ohmic resistance.  When properly impedance matched you have maximum power transfer.  Resistors just create heat and should be avoided if possible.

It's useful to have a spreadsheet to lay this all out for you.

I agree that there are many ways to arrange this.  However, the principles are still mostly the same.  If you don't design it correctly it simply won't work.

This obviously isn't the whole story.  Ronnie has given a lot of tips lately at OSE.  You should read up on them again.

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2016, 17:19:15 pm »
how you wound your coils? separate bobins?

i have this bobbins with 29awg but they dont fit the core all the coils at thesame time... i have primary secondary c1 and c2 made in different ways.... i can get primary and c2 on a core and l2 and c1 on other core..

i wound them to spec trying to make even different diameters of the coil cavity and it was very impossible to get acount of the turns..

untill i decided to wind a fixed number of turns on each layer and leave spaces on the sides.. this way they dont fit well at all...

working on oil they stand the voltages i meant

i have to give a new try now with more equipment maybe i can find something else intersting in all this...

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2016, 17:22:20 pm »
Separate cores as I describe in http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2946.msg27332.html#msg27332 based on Ronnie's direction.

I use bobbin I redesigned based on a design from Ronnie and printed out:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1023349

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2016, 17:31:18 pm »
nice design... whats the dielectric breakdown of the material you printed it up?

i have this coils

also i made a secondary with a 1 inch inside hole so ican fit the primary inside it before the nucleus.. actually i did two like this..with teflon wire..

the problem being the primary willhave high leakage inductance.. being in separate leg...

the only coupled energy to the other coil in this case is thru the core..

in my last test i found that the primary leakagen and magnetizing inductance can be nulified if the primary iswound over the secondary instead of bellow

and this is the reason most high voltage transfomers has the primary around the secondary like the car transformer...

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2016, 17:38:14 pm »
Don't know dielectric breakdown of the bobbin plastic, PLA plastic.  Not sure that's important though.

I can't stress enough the importance of matching the coils to the WC, both for reactance and impedance.  Ronnie says the primary needs to be 10ohm.  I haven't figured out why yet, but looking at your 18 turn 14 gauge wire, I know that will be so little resistance that it doesn't come close.  And Ronnie just reminded us recently that the impedance ratio on Stan's coils was 1:10.  Not that it has to be that, but it give an idea of Stan's setup since we know the resistance of his coils and therefore also know the resistance of his WC.

Gotta piece all these things together.