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Steve:
HHO = 2.5 times stronger then petrol.
But, we forget that we also need volume.
Petrol is mixed with air.
HHO doesnt need to mixed, because it is already an ideal mix.
So, how to make more volume of the same HHO, so we can fill the cylinder proper?

Anybody any suggestions?

Steve

Donaldwfc:
ionized air and exhaust gasses

Steve:

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I was more thinking about heating up HHO in a way that the volume is about 2.5 time the size of what comes out our wfc.....
That volume should be as powerfull as petrol.
At least the cylinder has more filling, which it absolutely needs.....
Maybe this way, we can slow the burnrate down?

Steve

Logic:
For a given mass of HHO, at a given pressure; the volume that the gass takes up will increase with temp.
The mass of HHO depends on the number of atoms.
This does not increase with temperature.
in fact; it means that you will be able to get less HHO into a given volume (engine cylinder) as you increase its temperature.
Less atoms of HHO in the cylinder means less energy released from burning them = less power.

Engine tuners go to great lengths to keep the air going into an engine as cold as possible. (intercoolers, cold air intakes, etc)
This means that you get more oxygen into each cylinder.
More oxygen means you can add more fuel to burn with it; which gives more power.

BMW's hydrogen car produces less power when running on H (rather than petrol) because the required H takes up much more space in the cylinders than petrol.
Space that could be taken up by oxygen...

Its also the reason the geet may work better with an intercooler.
An intercooler that cools the gas, but not so much as to cause any vapours to condense.

You need more atoms of H & O; not the same number of atoms taking up more volume/space.

There is no getting away from needing to produce more HHO with; either less energy or waste energy.
Then cool it down as much as possible to get more into each cylinder to get the max power from that engine.

:)

Steve:

--- Quote from: Logic on October 06, 2009, 13:07:05 pm ---For a given mass of HHO, at a given pressure; the volume that the gass takes up will increase with temp.
The mass of HHO depends on the number of atoms.
This does not increase with temperature.
in fact; it means that you will be able to get less HHO into a given volume (engine cylinder) as you increase its temperature.
Less atoms of HHO in the cylinder means less energy released from burning them = less power.

Engine tuners go to great lengths to keep the air going into an engine as cold as possible. (intercoolers, cold air intakes, etc)
This means that you get more oxygen into each cylinder.
More oxygen means you can add more fuel to burn with it; which gives more power.

BMW's hydrogen car produces less power when running on H (rather than petrol) because the required H takes up much more space in the cylinders than petrol.
Space that could be taken up by oxygen...

Its also the reason the geet may work better with an intercooler.
An intercooler that cools the gas, but not so much as to cause any vapours to condense.

You need more atoms of H & O; not the same number of atoms taking up more volume/space.

There is no getting away from needing to produce more HHO with; either less energy or waste energy.
Then cool it down as much as possible to get more into each cylinder to get the max power from that engine.

:)

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Ok, let me try to convince you here. If you have HHO, that means you have the ideal mix of H and O. We dont want more oxygen because the mix will not be ideal anymore. That mix of H and O is like 2.5 times more powerfull then a basic petrol/air mix.
If you use petrol drops you MUST add ambient air for couple of reasons.
1. need of oxygen for the burning process and volume
2. need of nitrogen for volume (it automatically adjusts burnrates too)

1 and 2 provide a volume with a certain burnrate/power
HHO has with less volume the same power with a faster burnrate
So what to do to match HHO to a current engine?
Well, we can mix the HHO with ambient air, which i did, and you are getting lots of nitrogen in the mix, which creates more volume and less HH per volume.
But what happens too, is that the ideal mix of H and O is gone because of the extra oxygen.

Thats why i think we should heat up HHO. Make the gas expand 2.5 times. You get 2.5 time more volume with less H and O, but still in the ideal mix for burning.

;)
Steve