i look forward to what you have to offer h2opower....no one ever seems to want to hear anything differnet then the general populous.....for some reason certain events have been hushing the people on the soapboxes.......and hydrocars, i do not know as to why your thought process has turned to a destructive path in stanley meyers work....lets not stomp our feet and declare sour grapes.
i look forward to what you have to offer h2opower....no one ever seems to want to hear anything differnet then the general populous.....for some reason certain events have been hushing the people on the soapboxes.......and hydrocars, i do not know as to why your thought process has turned to a destructive path in stanley meyers work....lets not stomp our feet and declare sour grapes.
it hasn't, i just understand what you dont.
i look forward to what you have to offer h2opower....no one ever seems to want to hear anything differnet then the general populous.....for some reason certain events have been hushing the people on the soapboxes.......and hydrocars, i do not know as to why your thought process has turned to a destructive path in stanley meyers work....lets not stomp our feet and declare sour grapes.
it hasn't, i just understand what you dont.
you might have just overlooked something.
Now that I had some time to look at JNaudin's work I did notice that the bifilar coil was hooked up wrong, the points 3,4 are in reverse of Stanley Meyer's so that would mean that they are fighting each other and not sharing the magnetic field.
br,
h2opower.
Another way of looking at the switched degenerate semiconductor circuit is that one charges it with voltage only, completely statically, with no j(phi) current permitted during "excitation" or "potentialization". One then switches the voltage source away, having drawn only potential from it and not power, and the circuit then changes itself and dissipates this excess "static" energy in the load, by automatically converting itself into a normal dynamic conducting circuit as the electrons "relax" and move as current.
What the guy is saying is he cracked water with little or hardly any amps at all with high voltage, he says the gas does not look like much but when you measure its output for some reason its rediculusly high!
Steve is emailing him, i ask for him to find his production, and transformer type. The information on that page has been backed up and saved and if the guy seems to be legit it will be tested, "not by me", i have to much on my hands right now, and i dont have the money to test every device someone claims to be overunity.
My point of view is if You, or That Guy made water resonate with high voltage and low amps then this is something stan didn't do, therfor your the one that deserves the pat on the back. But this is just my point of view. I have tested this technology Long enough to understand stan LOVED his amp flow to his cell, matter of fact he could get more amps to the cell than we can, how he does it? im still working on it. But high volts low amps, you gots to prove me wrong, i say it cant be done, and i say stan didn't do this but his way of distraction! Anyways, you guys have the rest of your life to prove me wrong with using high voltage low amps to crack water, if you succeed i wouldn't be suprised.
I will end this post by saying, Test Report of Evaulation Page 60... 12.5 Volts 40 Amps 500 Watts 7 liters a Min. Now thats 4.4 amps per tube, 55 watts per tube.
Can you make 1 tube consume 4.4 amps with olmost an 8th inch gap?
How was that high volts low amps?
What the guy is saying is he cracked water with little or hardly any amps at all with high voltage, he says the gas does not look like much but when you measure its output for some reason its rediculusly high!
Steve is emailing him, i ask for him to find his production, and transformer type. The information on that page has been backed up and saved and if the guy seems to be legit it will be tested, "not by me", i have to much on my hands right now, and i dont have the money to test every device someone claims to be overunity.
My point of view is if You, or That Guy made water resonate with high voltage and low amps then this is something stan didn't do, therfor your the one that deserves the pat on the back. But this is just my point of view. I have tested this technology Long enough to understand stan LOVED his amp flow to his cell, matter of fact he could get more amps to the cell than we can, how he does it? im still working on it. But high volts low amps, you gots to prove me wrong, i say it cant be done, and i say stan didn't do this but his way of distraction! Anyways, you guys have the rest of your life to prove me wrong with using high voltage low amps to crack water, if you succeed i wouldn't be suprised.
I will end this post by saying, Test Report of Evaulation Page 60... 12.5 Volts 40 Amps 500 Watts 7 liters a Min. Now thats 4.4 amps per tube, 55 watts per tube.
Can you make 1 tube consume 4.4 amps with olmost an 8th inch gap?
How was that high volts low amps?
After some extensive testing I agree with hydrocars on this one. Stan had 9 tubes 18 inches long perhaps that was why he was drawing 40 amps. Stevie has super long tubes.
Stevie Can you let us know:- How many tubes you had in your super tall cell?
what was the maximum amps you got your cell to draw regardless of voltage?
What was the maximum amp draw at 12 volts?
i second the vote to change the presumptious name of this post
i also vote for me to stop wasting my time reading all this extremely technical stuff and wasting all of the jedi councils time with my silly inquiries and comments
its just too deep for dummies like me, i think you guys would benefit greatly from using this forum as astepping stone to an "inner circle" of those in the know because honestly folks like myself are just wasting server space......and youre time
good luck on the work and i will keep an eye on you all for a feasible buld that i can complete myself
the object that we should all keep in mind is liberation from the oppression of oil, global liberation that is
h2o power,
i am pretty much in line with u.high voltage.i tried the coated cathode about two months ago. there is some validity to it.if u check your voltage at the wfc while it is running, u will see that there is a lot less voltage drop as compared to an uncoated cathode, even if the uncoated cat. is in distilled water! this does mean the cell can step up voltage instead of shorting to the anode.
stan slipped up in one of his conferences, he mentioned the vale of voltage he was putting into the CHOKES let alone the wfc. he mentioned his toroidal transformer was putting out 20,000 volts!!
my dad is a retired electrician and is helping me out with this thing. he, as per my advice, wrapped a plastic tube with mag. wire as to simulate the coated cathode. than used a microwave transformer with the pwm and a relay to charge up the cell. of course he also used the chokes and diodes as per d-14 or stan. he just wanted to see if higher voltage would work. he got 220 volts at the cell with it running! the cell really didn't zap too much voltage. this is the kicker, he said the cell produced at least half as much hho as if he ran two ss tubes strait off the battery!! remember, this is with the inner cathode completely insulated!! and also technically a large coil...hmmm.
imagine 20,000 volts, just a thought. if the cathode is insulated, the wfc wouldn't zap the voltage no matter what type of water u use! ya think maybe stan insulated his cathodes?? i noticed as i doubled my secondary windings on my toroid, the production on the INSULATED cathode set also seemed to double.
some said that stan was cautious of people looking close at his wfc....what do ya think?
i am wright on board with your thinking, don't get discouraged, keep sending your info. something will happen we ALL will get it .some way or another!!
hi all,
the links at the bottom of jnaudin's site don't appear to work, has anyone got his figures for gas production against input ?
thank you,
br,
james
It's hard too say creationist70,
As of now I still don't have the new cone shaped wfc for testing. I know from all of my studing that this shape is the way too go, for it gives a varing point of capacitance that will keep up with waters ever changing moods. But when camster6 did his test at 480 volts he started getting the step charge, and it was not a frequency made to look like a step charge it was doing it all on it's own. I tried it and got the same results, as he did. Amp leakage is what Meyer called it, the sparking inside of the cells. With the new set up I will be able to control the water flowing through the cells and might even be able to create a cavataion bubble. The new wfc has it all everything I have learned over the years is in this wfc. From constant water level to baffel plates to keep the water from splashing around so much, and even auto fill by vacuum draw.
Isolating the neggetive might help but when looking at Meyer's injectors the center electrod was positive and the negetive was grounded or just grounded like a spark plug. This leaves me to think that the Taylor cone my just have been what Meyer used but at very high voltage. The properties of water taking on a charge and becoming h3o+ion makes this possible, for it can only exist in water in it's droplet from and if you get it to break up lower than a droplet you will get one molecule of water and one free monoatomic hydrogen. At least this is my theory on this. Since they will have the same charge they will repel eack other and not reform into water. If the timing of the injectoin is changed to bottom dead center, it will be injecting something high preesure, into a low vaccuum area that should alone break even more water droplets up into water molecules for easy break down by the spark plug. I will start doing testing on the injectors very soon.
Now again Meyer had four parts to his working model, the injectors, the gas processor, the lazer help, and the steam resonator. Now a lot of the questions you ask I can't answer as of yet. but on figure 8-7 in the technical breif gives good graph data, showing that shape and shape alone does mater. And yes there is more than one way to skin a cat for Dr. Dingel has a running model that is not like stans, and it works. Now since Stan used more than just the hydrogen produced on demand, by putting in water in steam form and giving it a charge, and you all know the rest. As the water mist/vapor absorbs the heat of the hydrogen/oxygen reaction it will expand and make like a steam engine, heating up the water to push a piston down. Now that is simple gas law science PV=nRT. For me it's all coming together or at least it feels like it is. Can't wait to get the new wfc and put all these thoughts to the test. But if you ask me it seems like a lot of people are on the right track now, with many differnent ways. I just wish we all get the job done and can see the end of the age of oil in our time.
br,
h2opower.
Hi all,
Say Steve I found this book or what ever it is, but I haven't desided on buying it or not, but it is on the technology we are working on. http://www.jstor.org/pss/2415876
I was doing more reseach on the Taylor cones and found this "Disintegration of Water Drops in an Electric Field." Now to get water to disintergrate does that not turn it into hydrogen and oxygen ??? I think I might get this to further my studies on all of this. What do you think?
br,
h2opower.
As far as I can tell you really don't get much action until you get around 480 volts too the wfc, and Dr. Dingel says 20k-30k volts in his work.
As far as I can tell you really don't get much action until you get around 480 volts too the wfc, and Dr. Dingel says 20k-30k volts in his work.
You seems to have a lot of info about Dingel's. Can you share a link where he states that he is using 20kV-30kV? Dingel uses honeycomb configuration. I find this interesting because I find it technically complicated when electrodes are close to one another especially when they are in water, be it insulated or not.
I got this information from watching his videos and the circuit that he is using. In one of his videos you can read on the hho device 20k volts and on the circuit I have for him its 30k volts. So I say 20k-30k volts, to cover the differance, most of what I have to do with Dr. Dingel's work is guessing, but I am pretty good at it. Having the circuit diagram really helped me to see the simularities between his work, Meyer's work, and Puharich's work, all are from Nikola Tesla. I did have all that I think I know on Dr. Dingel posted but I saw fit to take it all down, personal reasons.
h2opower.
i have been searching for a while would anyone know where to get a toroidal transformer which meets jnaudin's requirements?I think you go search for a small PCB transformer. The bigger the lower the max frequency is...
I think by far this guy is the closest to getting it right....BUt he's only 18.8Kv's away from water ionization by voltage....Water ionization will work at low voltages, but at higher voltage it is much better....It works much like a car's ignition system...20Kv+ is where things really start to happen!
The spark plug is part of an LC circuit which operates at high voltages....At high voltage, the air is ionized between the anode and cathode of the spark plug allowing electron leakage to take place between the two which is seen as the spark.
The water capacitor is very similar to a spark plug, except that electron leakage is not allowd...The spark plug also shows us a very good electrical insulator to use (ceramic) which protects at high voltages....
Everyone here needs to look up the following patent -4,427,512 "Water decomposition method and device using ionization by collision."
In this patent the water ionization process is described using a ceramic insulation between the anode and cathode much like that of a spark plug!
IF YOU WANT GOOD RESULTS, YOU NEED HIGH VOLTAGE AND A GOOD INSULALTING MATERIAL!!!
Dear Steve,hi, as i already thought, you also do not have a fully insulated innertube. Yr inside and top/bottum edges are blanc metal.
It is the water capacitor and not so much the circuit. I have been able to get a reaction using a one inch inner tube insulated on the outside with a PVC pipe. My outer tube ID is 1.375 ".
PVC has a dielectric constant of 4.4 much like delrin. I am using a MOT and have gotten bubbles with an ignition coil.
maybe we should categorize stans setups in this forum..
Get it coated with a ceramic insulating material with a high dielectricDoes anyone have a good hint which thin insulating material i could use on my inner tube?