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« Reply #240 on: December 15, 2018, 21:35:07 pm »
now its getting intresting

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« Reply #241 on: December 16, 2018, 03:16:38 am »
NewGuy, normal electrolysis does start at just under 2V.  Breaking the water with just a voltage field is what requires a much higher voltage pulse.

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« Reply #242 on: December 16, 2018, 05:18:38 am »
NewGuy, normal electrolysis does start at just under 2V.  Breaking the water with just a voltage field is what requires a much higher voltage pulse.
Ten 4...im gonna try to stay out of this one...i hope thers some real new guys that will input something

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« Reply #243 on: December 16, 2018, 16:49:37 pm »
Here is a sample of my WFC calculations.   Notice the capacitance differences between the inner and outer tubes when the equations are adjusted for each tube's capacity.

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« Reply #244 on: December 23, 2018, 16:57:03 pm »
The actual circuit is a series circuit. Basically the choke and the other coil are in series with the cell which is a capacitance. So if you get the values right and a frequency, you should end up with a resonant circuit. The tapped inductor is to fine tune the circuit, you only have half wave rectification pulses, started by triggering the SCR. There is a better way to do this.
However what the object here was to get the circuit in resonance, this then make the current drawn only by the value of the total resistance in the two coils at a resonant frequency
Can you let me know now the value of the choke that you are using, that is the DC resistance, the impedance if you can measure it can be measured, and I would need to know the inductance of the choke.   The cell will have a capacitance as well, with no power on it see if you can get the capacitance it needs to be filled as if you were going to turn it on.

What you can get if this are done in a particular way, it seems that you have 24ohms in the circuit or impedance.
If you did put the choke in parallel with the cell this would make a resonant circuit of the cell and the choke,  so with power applied then of a pulsed half wave would then create a closed circuit around the cell and the choke, and at a resonant frequency there would be high circulating current through the choke and the cell, so for a low input of power you will get a bigger output due to the circulating currents.
The choke and the cells capacitance must be found out, the chokes DC resistance needs to be as low as you possibly can get it this would have large gauge wire, example make sure that the wire that is connected across the cell and the choke are heavy, example, 12v / 0.1ohm is 120amps  at the resonant frequency.
hope this helps Brian

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« Reply #245 on: December 23, 2018, 17:35:39 pm »
The actual circuit is a series circuit. Basically the choke and the other coil are in series with the cell which is a capacitance. So if you get the values right and a frequency, you should end up with a resonant circuit. The tapped inductor is to fine tune the circuit, you only have half wave rectification pulses, started by triggering the SCR. There is a better way to do this.
However what the object here was to get the circuit in resonance, this then make the current drawn only by the value of the total resistance in the two coils at a resonant frequency
Can you let me know now the value of the choke that you are using, that is the DC resistance, the impedance if you can measure it can be measured, and I would need to know the inductance of the choke.   The cell will have a capacitance as well, with no power on it see if you can get the capacitance it needs to be filled as if you were going to turn it on.

What you can get if this are done in a particular way, it seems that you have 24ohms in the circuit or impedance.
If you did put the choke in parallel with the cell this would make a resonant circuit of the cell and the choke,  so with power applied then of a pulsed half wave would then create a closed circuit around the cell and the choke, and at a resonant frequency there would be high circulating current through the choke and the cell, so for a low input of power you will get a bigger output due to the circulating currents.
The choke and the cells capacitance must be found out, the chokes DC resistance needs to be as low as you possibly can get it this would have large gauge wire, example make sure that the wire that is connected across the cell and the choke are heavy, example, 12v / 0.1ohm is 120amps  at the resonant frequency.
hope this helps Brian

There is NOTHING about this system that should be "found out".  The entire system needs to be designed exactly the same way as you would design any electronic circuit to do a specific thing(s).  This means you need to calculate voltage, current, inductances, reactances, impedances, resistances, capacitance, frequencies.  Even the wire resistance matters.  And most importantly, you need to know WHAT you are designing and HOW it is supposed to work.  Otherwise you are just shooting in the dark.  ALL these things need to be designed very specifically to get the result we're looking for.

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« Reply #246 on: December 23, 2018, 21:41:22 pm »
Timeshell I am not so certain about that.

As I already said, I cant see the WFC acting as a capacitor or being reactive like a capacitor.
It looks to me like a load and nothing more.
Since it have the diode In-line it cant act another way than the DC resonant charging circuit.

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« Reply #247 on: December 23, 2018, 22:01:58 pm »
Timeshell I am not so certain about that.

As I already said, I cant see the WFC acting as a capacitor or being reactive like a capacitor.
It looks to me like a load and nothing more.
Since it have the diode In-line it cant act another way than the DC resonant charging circuit.
Well, my 2 cents: the cell holds a charge. For that it is a capacitor/condensor.
The other cent: i posted many many lightyears ago a picture of the negative voltage peak produced by the cell when the dc was removed from it.
That negative pulse can be collected and re-used.
In the days, i used that pulse to charge the rotor of my alternator setup.....

For me, that negative bemf pulse of the cell was strong enough to charge a 5v/2a rotor coil.....
Use that pulse in a serie of parallel coil setup ala meyer....