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WaytoGo:

--- Quote from: Dankie on July 28, 2009, 05:27:39 am ---An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

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I have a 300W pure sine wave inverter and with the right plate spacing the gas output is extreme.
Have read that inverters can today have a efficiency up to 95% comparing the input and output.. but the energy in the HHO gas produced is at the moment unknown for me... Didn't Master Steve use a inverter for that motorbike idling?...Hmmm   ::)

Steve:

--- Quote from: WaytoGo on July 28, 2009, 08:14:54 am ---
--- Quote from: Dankie on July 28, 2009, 05:27:39 am ---An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

--- End quote ---

I have a 300W pure sine wave inverter and with the right plate spacing the gas output is extreme.
Have read that inverters can today have a efficiency up to 95% comparing the input and output.. but the energy in the HHO gas produced is at the moment unknown for me... Didn't Master Steve use a inverter for that motorbike idling?...Hmmm   ::)

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Master Steve used 2 VIC's with blocking diodes and resonating chokes in where he got LC resonance and he busted water with 40Kv and 1mA, producing a massive 100ltres per second. ;)

But i just forgot how to replicate it.. :D


Steve

WaytoGo:
Master Steve is a true genius! i know...sad that you forgot the circuit.... give you self some relaxing holydays and it may come back to you!  ;) 

haithar:

--- Quote from: Steve on July 28, 2009, 10:07:21 am ---
--- Quote from: WaytoGo on July 28, 2009, 08:14:54 am ---
--- Quote from: Dankie on July 28, 2009, 05:27:39 am ---An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

--- End quote ---

I have a 300W pure sine wave inverter and with the right plate spacing the gas output is extreme.
Have read that inverters can today have a efficiency up to 95% comparing the input and output.. but the energy in the HHO gas produced is at the moment unknown for me... Didn't Master Steve use a inverter for that motorbike idling?...Hmmm   ::)

--- End quote ---

Master Steve used 2 VIC's with blocking diodes and resonating chokes in where he got LC resonance and he busted water with 40Kv and 1mA, producing a massive 100ltres per second. ;)

But i just forgot how to replicate it.. :D


Steve

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that's a sad thing.  ???
as always, it seems many people do have some good results but no other can replicate it because there are no good documents. and if there are good documents (like ravi) it does not work.

i'm intrigued by warps post but i never read something about 3500rpm, an alternator or that FQA30N40. It's probably because i did not read every post of every account he is using word for word, but if you could make like a document where you collect your knowledge, in a way that the others from this forum can understand and then replicate (i'm sure there would be enough people to try it), we could all get this working together. communication is really the problem, everyone is doing his own stuff, there is so much false information, and everyone would have to figure it out for himself, not to say most of the people at the waterfuelcell.org forum for example don't have any clue about electronics and mess things up more.

when the first step (getting more HHO energy than you put in via electricity) it's not important if you cannot run YOUR car on this immediately. there are plenty of options afterwards. (even stan ran only a lightweight dunebuggy with it)

Goeytex:

--- Quote from: Dankie on July 28, 2009, 05:27:39 am ---An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

--- End quote ---

You are correct Dankie.  By definition an "alternator" is an electric generator  that produces alternating current... ie. a sine wave.    But an "alternator based system"  can produce other wave forms as a result of adding other components. 

"Resonance" is always in the form of a sine wave. So it could make  sense in certain applications to use a sine wave input .  Make a simple series LC resonant circuit and hit it with a sine wave at the resonant frequency and with a with a square wave at the resonant frequency. The sine wave will give greater gains given the same power input.   But .... square waves are easier to generate over a wide frequency range.   

 
--- Quote from: WaytoGo on July 28, 2009, 08:14:54 am ---I have a 300W pure sine wave inverter and with the right plate spacing the gas output is extreme.

Have read that inverters can today have a efficiency up to 95% comparing the input and output.. but the energy in the HHO gas produced is at the moment unknown for me... Didn't Master Steve use a inverter for that motorbike idling?...Hmmm   ::)

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So,   are saying that applying a 120V AC   @ 2.5amps to a set of plates makes an extreme amount  of gas?   Are you sure that isn't steam?   ;D   Maybe you rectified it to DC first?

Please tell more.


--- Quote from: Steve on July 28, 2009, 10:07:21 am ---Master Steve used 2 VIC's with blocking diodes and resonating chokes in where he got LC resonance and he busted water with 40Kv and 1mA, producing a massive 100ltres per second. ;)

But i just forgot how to replicate it.. :D

Steve

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Steve, when you remember.... I have a check for you for $50,000US for further development.


--- Quote from: haithar on July 28, 2009, 12:12:00 pm ---That's a sad thing.  ???
as always, it seems many people do have some good results but no other can replicate it because there are no good documents. and if there are good documents (like ravi) it does not work.
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You said a lot there Haithar.

You  have to consider that SOME of those claiming to have good results may just be blowing smoke or seeking their 20 minutes of fame on Youtube.  (documents or not).  Some may not be.  But many times it's hard to tell which.   

Also consider that,  many experimenters have no formal education or training  in how to do systematic and methodical  testing, note taking, etc.  It's same with technical writing skills (documentation).  Some have difficulty explaining  what they've done in terms that others can understand.   

Then there are the "mean people" . These kind might have some knowledge,  but alienate others due to their pissy & arrogant attitudes.  These can't have an intelligent exchange of ideas with out ad hominem attack.  eg.  "If you  cant see what I'm saying (and agree with it) then,  you are an sub-moronic fool  and  have nothing to offer anyone ! " 

Yeah Steve.  Mean people do suck. 


--- Quote from: haithar on July 28, 2009, 12:12:00 pm ---
i'm intrigued by warps post but i never read something about 3500rpm, an alternator or that FQA30N40. It's probably because i did not read every post of every account he is using word for word, but if you could make like a document where you collect your knowledge, in a way that the others from this forum can understand and then replicate (i'm sure there would be enough people to try it), we could all get this working together. communication is really the problem, everyone is doing his own stuff, there is so much false information, and everyone would have to figure it out for himself, not to say most of the people at the waterfuelcell.org forum for example don't have any clue about electronics and mess things up more.
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3500 is the rpm/frequency that worked for Warp in his particular setup. The FQA30N40 is just a 400V 30 Amp  QFET from Fairchild Semiconductor . Nothing particularly magical about either one of them.  However,  If  someone wants to replicate what Warp did,  then they  will need to use exactly what he used.   If the RPM was 3500  then use 3500.  If the FET was a FQA30N40 then use that one.  If a tube was exactly 4.0 inches long by 1/2" diameter then don't use one that is 3.9 inches long by 5/8" diameter and expect it to work the same.


--- Quote from: haithar on July 28, 2009, 12:12:00 pm --- 
when the first step (getting more HHO energy than you put in via electricity) it's not important if you cannot run YOUR car on this immediately. there are plenty of options afterwards. (even stan ran only a lightweight dunebuggy with it)

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I sometimes wonder why there is so much focus on running a car with  HHO gas.  There are other more easily engineered applications.

Goey

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