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##### Re: Meyers may have pulsed with 2 transistors
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2009, 10:59:01 am »
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Accoording to the knowledge i have, you will have a discharge. That discharge will happen very quick. Meaning: lots of amps  in a short periode. With a bifcoil you can slow the discharge, but it will happen..

if this is true then why would stan state on video that with a 15 second on put time he could continue to produce gas for 94 seconds during what he called off put time...

how is a capacitor made?  with a dielectic between parellel conductors right? ..

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At the end you talk about a charge in the chokes/coils transformer. Well, what happens when the power is off? What happens to the charge in those nice coils?

i think during the 94 second  off put time he is still gating negative side of the primary where  the negative choke is also conected  (not to secondary)  and he is using common ground to dicharge the transformer in a gated manner.. so you are still drumming the water even when powers off. then when it needs to charge up again the postive side of primary turns back on. and adds the analog pulse.. analog is the variable amplitude..

think really hard on this senario.. the choke wire, lets say both are exactly 500 ft.. now think of that wire not as a line/string but pretend you are the size of a flea standing next to 26awg..  the fleas perspective in a size to size ratio.. the wire is like 3 foot tall and 5 miles long....to the flea that wire has great volume... what if that wire was a air tank and wasnt solid?  to the flea that tank can hold alot of volume under preasure..  so if we can except that wire has volume like a air tank you start to see potentials a little diff..

now what if one tank (wire) is a little longer (bigger) then the other? ask your self what happens to 2 air tanks if one is bigger then the other? well the bigger tank will require more air then the other to have the same pressure.. you could have the 2 air tanks (wire) hooked to 2 different pumps (emf) of the same force the smaller tank will peak quicker then the bigger tank (wire)  thats why they are of same length but there is still more to it for understanding why the charge stays on the core and not in the water..

now why does it.. well think of the 2 tanks again.. these tanks are wound side by side.. the positve having a diode is pulling electrons out and sending/manifesting/ deflecting  them into the secondary... so the chokes charge is  pos potential (vaccum/ positive polarity)
the negative choke potential (pressure negative polarity)  since the 2 wire are the same length they will charge at a even pace.. the negative is charging it self through ground, ,and is pulling electrons in.. the rising polarity of positive is causing negative to induct the charge into itself..  when it is charged (the transformer not the cell)  the charge does not leave because the 2 wires are the same length,  they are sitting right next to each other and have opposite charges in them.. that are happy on the core,...  so what happens if you introduce the neg choke to a gated ground? will it oscillate and discharge slowly drumming the cell with voltage?

im not saying im right on this but i feel like im close

stans drawing i think can be missleading.. to simple..

I do not have all the answers, Outlaw,
But have you watched a wfc and see what happend when you take the power from it? Indead, it keeps on going producing for a long time. Maybe that is the fenomenon Stan is talking about.

Your theory about a battery like coil, is a nice one. But in practice, i do not think it will work. The discharge is so quick. Not sure if you can regulate that. Not sure if there are components who can do that either.
And what will be the gain?  You need time to charge the battery like coil and that costs time and amps. Then you lease it slowly as you can. Still it will be electrolysis. So, no gain here. No new technology.
Maybe you win some by result of better impedance matching.

I dont want to sound negative here, but i do want you guys to keep your head out of the clouds. Its hard. This hobby is tough.

Maybe we must start to think about which effects we wanna see. What the results must be. Maybe then, we create a technology that fits well.
Do we hunt a mans idea that voltage is doing work? No amps? Well, Stan stated himself that we do need amps. The testreport mentions 40 amps on the wfc.

Unless somebody seen something special happening with HV, then he is the man/women. I didnt see anything special. More heat, yes. More sparks, yes. But no ringing molecules, or impressive production.

The only thing i found, is that you can play with hydrogen molecules and activate them. That has been proven.

So, it more likely that Stan used simple electrolysis in a most efficient way. Then fouled around with the gas and then put it in the engine.
All the lies about 1700% more effiency is crap. That was stated by dummys who were looking at a system and didnt understand what they seen.
It was the alternator setup. As you can see on nthe schematics os Stan, he has put the ampmeter and the voltmeter on the rotor.
Result: 5V and 1 or 2 amps.
Gasproduction thru the roof!!!!!!!WOWOWOWOWOW
BUT: they forget the powerconsumption of the drivermotor of at least 1hp. aka 750watts.

Well, we all know by know that many of us make the same results with 750watts. At least i do.

The injector on Stans car is not injecting water. Its injecting HHO.
And that HHO was produced in a wfc with plates and no tubes. Stan only showed the tubes as example for the patent office. I know. I seen the buggy idle video. He used his testcell there as well.

I think we need people who can run an engine on a WFC and then go from there. My advise: go built a nice platecell. Get an engine running and then develope a gasprocessor and injectors.
Thats my opion on how Stan made his bug running.

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##### Re: Meyers may have pulsed with 2 transistors
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2009, 14:17:09 pm »
this is bob koontz on coast to coast 6-6-09

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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2009, 15:51:20 pm »
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I dont want to sound negative here, but i do want you guys to keep your head out of the clouds. Its hard. This hobby is tough.

this is a saying i like to say..   many people may step outside the box, but most people will stand  next to it..  minus well just install a window..
the mind must go into the cloud of dreams to find answers/ or questions..  to do so you must venture off from the box.

my point here is no one should ever restrict the mind..  to a narrow perspective/ or a confined perspective of thought... i know you mean well and  this stuff is tuff.. you have to have a very creative mind along with knowledge to paint this portrait that is defiant to the prior art..

this is what i think  scalar waves are made from high voltage canceling waves drumming (pulsing)  the cell...  its not electrons crossing from plate to plate making amps in the water, that method is the chaos method (non harmonic)   you are forcing the over population of electrons through  the water, the waters electrons are having colisions with the passing electron creating friction (heat)  and is removing them in a war type manner ...  that is electrolysis and is what we dont want.. yes stan uses amps but it doesnt mean that the activity of amps is in the chokes, secondary and cell... it is in the primary... the primary drives the core.. the core transfers to the others through emf..    the opposite from electrolysis would be harmonic... harmonic is dealing with timing and balance..  pos and neg working togetther..  you really need to see  the laws of attraction at work when you have the skin effect drumming voltage (physical process) into the water.. as if when the voltage amplitude is jumping the skin effect fields are acting like a speakers cone producing waves.... the skin effect fields are applying physical forces (pusing and pulling)  at a individual atomic level of interaction.. so it is just like a speakers vibrations but requires no moving parts...just moving and changing fields...

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Unless somebody seen something special happening with HV, then he is the man/women. I didnt see anything special. More heat, yes. More sparks, yes. But no ringing molecules, or impressive production.

to get a 70 pound bowling ball to float in the air john hutchinson built 2 tesla coils around 1mega volt.. then faced them in opposition to each other.. the same idea of stans fields across the cell. .. i would say he had them place with one below and one above.. i would also say the bowling ball was manifesting its electrons to either top or bottom and for a moment in time had its own north and south poles just like earth..

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##### Re: Meyers may have pulsed with 2 transistors
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2009, 16:07:40 pm »
here are the other 2 bob koontz

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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2009, 16:33:16 pm »
Outlaw,

Please do not restric the free thinking potential. That was not what i wanna say. Go on. I only want to say, that most of all processen with coils end up being basic electrolysis.

I just think that many researchers are mixing 2 techics and that doesnt work.
1 = greating HHO gas
2= ionization of the HHO

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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2009, 16:35:57 pm »
thx outlaw

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« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2009, 17:30:57 pm »

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I just think that many researchers are mixing 2 techics and that doesnt work.
1 = greating HHO gas
2= ionization of the HHO

balance is the key.. i really think people cant grasp that oposite voltage in the chokes is magneticaly attracted to each other with intent of motive force to equalize the electrons present in a material, so when they sit next to each other on the some core but are insulated to where they cant exhange, they want to stay on the core... a magnetic force between the 2 keep them there.. but they have to be balanced opposites for it to work..  if not you get electron flow.... with balance charges on the same core  it is more work to cross the water.. so instead the potential will exist in the plates giving the skin effect... .think about how stan doenst get a arc with 40 kv in a injector..  the charge is happy on the core in separation..  arks only happen with discharge,, discharge is current...

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##### Re: Meyers may have pulsed with 2 transistors
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2009, 17:53:21 pm »

Meyer was very good, no doubt about it . But we can do this again i am sure.

We know Meyers cell was cold to the touch so maybe

we should aim for a cold process now, all i have personally done so far is pretty much a hot prosess and that is just electrolysis and notting worth chare.

If you have a cold process then you are on the first Meyer level i guess..