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Title: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2018, 18:02:08 pm
hydrogen from metal powder, but the powder doesnt change in the proces?
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2018, 20:49:58 pm
more info
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2018, 20:59:52 pm
CHEMALLOY – A NEW ALLOY FOR THE SCIENCE STUDENT
Chemalloy Was Developed in 1951 as a fluxless aluminum solder alloy, by combining zinc and lead in the presence of raw muriatic acid, at a temperature of 1500° F. Originally explosive, today the process is reduced to violent boiling and prolonged to five minutes, by the use of porous copper slag and finely divided charcoal. What uses Chemalloy may have beyond those outlined in this article can only be guessed at.
by Samuel Freedman

Originally conceived as a soldering alloy, this patented substance has anti-friction properties, will aerate soil, improves seed germination, stimulates pant growth, will generate electricity, and ????

What relation there can be between soldering aluminum and promoting the growth of huckleberries is hard to see — yet in the broadest view, scientists say, all things are in some way interrelated. Chemalloy, with its strangely diverse properties seems to support this view.

Put a Chemalloy rod in plain water (Fig.1 [Figures not available]) and you have a battery of 0.55 volt potential that will last as long as the rod is kept wet, generating enough power to operate a voltmeter, milliameter or oscilloscope. In different liquids, voltage varies from almost zero for petroleum to 1.1 for certain types of chili sauce.

As a bearing material, Chemalloy in a solid dry state withstands friction without coolant or lubricant.

Chemalloy powderized to about 1,000,000 particles per pound exhibits the same elecritical properties (Fig. 2) as the solid rod. Here it generates slightly more than 0.5 volt, and in addition decomposes the water, liberating hydrogen.

This process is further examined in Fig 3. First fill three graduated cylinders with water, one cold, the second warm, and the third hot. Add equal amounts of Chemalloy to each graduated cylinder. Instantly, the graduated cylinder containing hot water liberates hydrogen (Fig. 3A).

Heat is generated by the reaction so that with the passage of a few minutes (Figs. 3B and C) the three graduated cylinders are equally warm and hydrogen production in all three is the same.

One of the most significant uses of powdered Chemalloy may be the warming and loosening of soils that are too cold or compact for optimum seed generation and plant growth. The warming and areation of soil on a laboratory basis is shown in Fig. 4. A sample of dry soil is placed on top of powdered Chemalloy in a glass case. Note the temperature rise from 94º  F. to 126º  F. Voltage remains approximately at .6.

From this point on, voltage will remain constant, but soil temperature will decline and finally stabilize at a point a few degrees above the environmental temperature. The electrical action will continue and will generate warmth at this reduced magnitude. To date, the capability of Chemalloy to generate electricity in water has been observed for seven continuous years, and no limit is known. The liquid, rather than the metal is the substance which is consumed and must be replaced.

A Provincial Horticulture Station in Alberta, Canada, summarizes an experiment in seed germination as follows:

%germinated   %germinated
Vegetable   (Chem. Treated)   (untreated)
Cucumber   50   16
Red Beet   96   70
Lettuce   64   34
Leek   86   54
Carrot   68   32
The assistant superintendent supervising this experiment stated that the addition of Chemalloy powder resulted in speedier germination of seeds as well as larger percentages germinated. Initial growth of the plants after emergence was also more rapid in the case of treated seeds.

For field crops, Chemalloy is applied at the rate of one to five pounds per acre, in the row or hill with the seeds. It is not broadcast over the entire field area, as this would waste material. It needs to be buried where it will be in contact with soil moisture since it is inert when dry.

The peach and nectarine trees in Fig. 5 were planted in poor compact clay soil in El Cajon, Calif., and stands in sharp contrast to anything else in the area having grown in 1-1/2 years to the height shown from 1-in. diameter stubs.
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2018, 21:08:22 pm
Thats the last doc for today....
Who can mix some metals for me?

cheers!
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2022, 21:53:36 pm
Has anyone contacted you about this? Some time ago I managed to buy a chemalloy rod as a vintage item on eBay. When I powdered it, it undoubtedly produces some gas bubbles in layers of material. Undoubtedly, this gas is also flammable. It generates only 5ml of gas per day from one rod... Far not enought.. So it's time to start smelting. All materials are generally available, except for one, unfortunately. Where to get the copper slag?
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2022, 23:02:20 pm
I still havent had the pleasure to play with chemelly.
Very nice that you got some!

I have to refresh my knowledge a bit on the topic.
What are your plans with it?

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 16, 2022, 08:03:36 am
This is a very good question, first I have to find a laboratory that will test whether what is in the syringe is really HHO. If so, I am undoubtedly melting the material. Only one ingredient is missing from my list.  It's about Copper Slag.  The nearest copper smelter is located about 500 km from my house.
I do not want to look too far ahead, because it may turn out that this metal just corrodes and produces some oxides which may also be flamable. When I get the gas test results, I will put them here and I will continue to think about what to do with it :)
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 16, 2022, 08:40:32 am
The materials are the biggest issue.
Copper slag is a waistproduct?

From which country are you, if i may ask?

Steve
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 16, 2022, 08:41:44 am
I ran some tests with an hydrogen generator in a lab in the Netherlands.
Costed me a lot, but the results where unpayable :-)

Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2022, 22:16:02 pm
Hello, it's not possible for a catalyst to last forever, the gibbs free energy of the water hydrolysis is positive and ΔG=-n F E because the redox potential is negative and if it's positive it can't happen spontaneously regardless of temperature, what happens with metals inside tap water that is conductive since it's full of ions is that the metal forms galvanic cells inside with the water acting as an electrolyte, if the voltage gradient between the metals exceeds -1.2V  hydrogen starts forming because this is the breakdown voltage for aqueous electrolytes, they even make a flashlight that works like this, you add tap or rain or bottled water and then it starts producing voltage but it doesn't last forever

if you don't believe me use deionized water instead
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2022, 19:20:35 pm
I have found all needed ingredients :) Im from Poland, are you Dutch Steve?
That's very likely that what you're saying is true Geon. In the second patent from 1960 we can read:
"Moreover when the alloy particles or shavings have been permitted to remain in the water for several hours, gas bubbles will emerge from the water and form on the surface. Each of these bubbles explodes upon the application of a match, showing that chemicals in the alloy shavings produce hydrogen and other gases when placed in water. A still more powerful effect is obtained when salt water is used."
The question is for how long may it last? Is it worth any attention in your opinion? Due to work with this rod I probably get lead poison. I had very bad head aches and badly hands shake for a few days, what is unusual for me. I'll have to be more careful next time 😉
Anyway, the melting furnace is already ordered, all materials I'll also order in this week. We will see if it will be able to produce more heat, than consume founds on materials :) and if I'll be able to melt it correctly at all 😜
When I'll have some interesting observations I'll let you know 😉 when I'll get more material I'll try to use deionized water as well.
BTW there was no air in the syringe last Saturday
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2022, 19:40:06 pm
Thats a lot of sickness...
Handcloves is a must then....
Poland! Nice. Yes, i am dutch, but i live in Germany, close to the border with Poland  :) 
My theory: there is clearly something reacting with something. That proces always consumes something.

Or the rods have voltage potential between all components and creates hydrogen.....

Run tests and then find out, is it.
When you are done, or on a hold, or at a dead end, please contact me. I have then something for you to play with....

Cheers!
Title: Re: Freedman hydrogen generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 20, 2022, 07:22:49 am
If you have lead poisoning it won't go away, lead is bioaccumulation meaning it goes to fatty regions of the body and the biggest one is the brain, you have a few days to get chelators to trap heavy metals, a natural one is vitamic c but there are more potent ones in the pharmacy.

Manganese and copper is a better combination, they already use aluminum powder to mass-produce hydrogen from water. There's also a way to produce hydrogen from water directly from sunlight with TiO2, it's actually a problem with aqueous electrolytes, water breakdowns at 1.1-1.2V so you cant use it for high energy density battery system.

here https://energy.mit.edu/news/using-aluminum-and-water-to-make-clean-hydrogen-fuel-when-and-where-its-needed/