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Stanley Meyer Mutli-Tier Mag Gas Project
« on: October 09, 2018, 16:36:57 pm »
Stan Meyer built several types of EPG devices during his lifetime.
Perhaps the least copied or understood versions was multitier mag
gas plasma device that he developed during the early 1980's

In contrast to the various replications of the Mechanical Pump
devices and  Magnetic drive  EPGs, the six tiered EPG generator
displayed at the demonstrations held at Deer Creek State Park
no public replications have been displayed.

This may be due in part to the dearth of information regarding
this device.   Unlike the single tier devices for which high
resolution photographs are available, very few unclassified
images exist of this device.

( See attached images at end of post )

Basic design of the 6 tier mag gas plasma generator

The six tier system consists of six coils of copper tubing
stacked with vertical connecting tubes.

Each tier is similar to the coils in the single tier EPG series
with 3 to 3 and one-half  spiraled loops of tubing with copper
wire wrapped around the spiral in a toroidal fashion.

The method of moving the magnetic material in the
EPG series included Mechanical Pump or Linear
Magnetic Pumps.

Alignment coils are necessary to maintain magnetic
alignment  of the circulating magnetic slurry or
gas.

The circulation of the magnetic medium induces an
EMF in the pickup windings which can be arranged
and tapped to provide the range of voltage and amperage
useful in home heating, cooling and lighting as well as
applications for automotive use.

Stan Meyer stated the design of the six tier system was
intended to provide 220 Volt  AC at an amperage draw
of 200 to 300 Amps. or  44 to 66 Kw !!

After his involvement with NASA and the Star Wars
program, very little is seen in the public press regarding
the device.

Part of the SDI program involved the
proposed use of lasers to disable incoming missiles.
Lasers require tremendous amounts of power to
charge us and fire.

 Public documents and videos  show that Stan
had contract with many governments and
Pentagon officials.

 Speculation that the government "swooped" in and confiscated everything is  just that- speculation 
There is some testimony that the multi tier system was not found in the Broadway Laboratory shortly
 However, there is
some evidence of policies preventing the release of certain inventions or technologies that would be considered  as "disruptive"
An example would be the restriction on solar cells with efficiencies greater that twenty percent.

However, It could be that the device was only a model created for patent or promotional  display.

Why the stacked tier design was selected

The primary concept is to have a very large number of windings on pickup coils in a very compact size.
 
Economy of number of pick up coils.
By using a spiral design,  the number of pickup coils needing to be wound is greatly reduced

By having 3 loops or cores within each pickup coil  only one-third as many coils needed to be made
on the EPGs

Secondly, when the coil wind count needed to be increased for increased power output, rather than use multiple layers on the pickup
coils, stacking tiers results in a compact unit the size of a small trash can or  water heater.  The magnetic force of thecirculating gas or
slurry decreases as the inverse of the distance so the pickup coils need to be close to the circulating magnetic materials.

Theory and discussion

Analogy to tranformers

Transformers such as a simple step up or step down type often consist of a primary and secondary windings through which a ferrite core or silico-iron laminate plates
are passed.   As the alternating current on the primary flows it causes a collapsing and increasing magnetic fields  in the ferrite core.. This induced magnetic force is
"carried " or guided by the ferrite core to the secondary winding where the changing magnetic flux causes or induces  EMF changes in the secondary winding.   
Transformed are remarkably efficient with efficiency of power exceeding 95% or more depending on design. Horseshoe magnets often are provided with
a keeper bar to allow magnetic forces to circulate in a similar fashion.

As long as a changing magnetic flux is maintained in the primary, a secondary winding will have a power output to do useful work.
Depending on the ratio  of number of windings between the  primary and secondary varying voltage and amperage draw may be obtained
from the secondary coil.  Taps on the secondary allow for different voltage and power output.

An AC transformer having an input of 110 VAC at the mains and a draw of 10 amps can produce a voltage of 220  VAC with amps slightly less than
5 amps. This is roughly the same umber of watts of power  (some losses occur due to  resistance of the windings and eddy effects within the core).

So now let's think of about an  EPG by Stan Meyer. The pick up coils are analogous to the secondary winding of a transformer. The coils are where the power is being
 drawn off to do work. Stan stated that the multi-tier Mag Gas Plasma device operating ranges was 220 VAC and at between 200 and 300 amp draw
Now obviously Stan did not have 44 Kw service at his laboratory in Grove City Ohio. If it were a standard step up transformer to get 220 volts at 200 amps
 he would be drawing 400 amps at 110  VAC at the mains.  Something else is going on.

In back engineering form follows function  and vice-versa

In an attempt to learn some of the characteristics of such a device, let's try some calculations. since high resolution images of the single tier EPGs exist,
they re a good starting point for looking at the form of the multi-tier system.

From photogrammetry of the single tier EPGs it appears that 22 gauge AWG wire was used.

The diameter of 22 gauge AWG wirei  is about 0. 0254 inches which is equivalent to 39.37 turns  per inch  1/ 0.0254
if closely wound  (not random)

The diameter of the single tier EPGs is  approximately 16 inches       ( from photogrammetry)

Thus, the length of  the coil  as a singles straight core would be 3.141 inches  = 301.6  inches   (circumference of a single turn of the spiraled EPG

The length of wire needed per turn of wire around 1 pipe O would be  .625 x 3.14 inches or 1.96 inches
inches.

If three 5/8 inch tubes are laid side by side  OOO,  the length of wire required to make one wrap around this configuration would be
(2  x 5/8") plus ( Pi x 5/8) or 5. or   5.1416 x .625  or    3.21 inches per turn or wrap.

So putting that all together   39.37 turns per inch x 301.6 inches length of coil  = 11873  number of turns in a pick up or secondary coil
In the case of a single tube being wrapped 11873 turns  x1.96 inches equals  23,271 inches of wire
In the case of three tubes being wrapped,,  11873 turns x  3.21  inches equals  38,112 inches of wire

If three pipes or channels of a spiraled EPG represent a core, then there is a 300% increase in cross sectional area
compared to a single pipe core device but only a 63% increase in the inches of wire needed to wrap the three pipe OOO
configuration. 

So Stan was minimizing the length of wire  needed for pickup coils by using a side by side layout of magnetic cores!

Secondly, Stan was minimizing the physical size of the core by making a generally circular shape
of  about 16 inches across as opposed to a core over 300 inches long.


IMPORTANT CONCEPT

Whatever MAGNETIC FLUX is occurring within the pick up coils in an EPG, it is equivalent to the flux occurring in a transformer
secondary coil that can create  220 voltas at 200 amps!!    Actusally Stan claimed 200 to 300 amp draw

So go to Google(r)  and look at transformer wiki article

[b]Transformer EMF equation
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 for one long secondary coil

  f  = supply frequency
  N = number of turns
  a = cross sectional area in square meters
  B = peak  magnetic flux density in Wb / meter squared or T tesla
  E= root mean square voltage of winding 
 
  E = 4.44  x f  x N  x a x B or rearranging this

  B =        E divided by( 4.44    x  f N    x   a )           

  so let's try plugging in a few figures for a six tier device



         E = voltage       220 VAC
         f = 60 hertz per second in the US
         N= 11,873
         a +  0. 000468  sq m area                                       3 channels of pipe  x 0.242 sq inchesdivideded by conversion factor 1550  =  000468 square metres
         4.44 = constant

So.... Bmax  =   220/ 1480  or      0.1486  Wb/M squared  or Tesla     for the 5/8" six tier system

Now lets look at Stan's original device. It is assumed that the 1/2 inch OD tubing was used and was the same as the one tier EPGs  (actual measurements exist for these)

       A smaller diameter tube doe not significantly  affect the winding count since  the diameter of the tiers remains the same, thus the circumference and length to wind is the same
       So 11,873 is about right
       However, The smaller inside diameter will result in a smaller cross section  3 x  .149  / 1550  = .0002884

Again  after putting in the values,

\ Bmax =   220/divided by   (4.44 x 60 x 11,873 x . 0002884
  Bmax=  0.241  Wb per    meter squared

One interpretation of the above results is that a larger diameter pipes or tubes do not require as high a Bmax value to result in the same Voltage output
when designing a multi tier  (or by inference a single tier ) EPG.

 The comparison of the Bmax ratio between version4 of the multi-tier system and the calculated value for Stan's original version indicates that a smaller Bmax
 in larger volume slurry or mag gas plasma is sufficient to generate the same Voltage

Stan's multi tier device may have needed a Bmax of  .241 while the design of the  version4 multitier might only need  0.1486 Tesla for same power output

It is thought that the greater amount of slurry or magnetic plasma in version4  doe not be b as saturated or can have a lower magnetic susceptibility and still produce
the same power.


SO THE MAGNITUDE OF THE Bmax or T vVALUE OF THE FLUX HAS BEEN ESTIMATED FOR THE ORGINAL SIX TIER EPG SYSTEM AS WELL AS GAINING\
INSIGHT TO POSSIBLE FLUX WITHIN MULT-TIER VERSION 4

Calculation of magnetic effect of slurry and estimating power input     If one uses a linear magnetic pump ( similar to
MHD technology in  submarines) how can one calculate the effect on the pickup coils on the circulating magnetic gas or slurry

The linear pump has a certain frequency associated with the current going thought a drive coil  as well as a linear sequential  coil
frequency    The linear frequency determines the spacing between the higher viscosity portions of the gas and slurry,, the pumping power is
related to  the frequency under the curve  RMS   would vary   such as between  .707 for 60 cycle or higher values as in 400 Hz/sec in military applications

for math purposes the flux density of  the face of a liquid high viscosity might be compared to the values achievable with the neodymium boron series of magnets
of similar diameter    then based on the length of the cylinder  (calculated from flow rate and linear drive  translational frequency}  the  flux density can be pro rates
as would be the case  for magnetic susceptibility     once the flux surface density of the  n s axis is know    sigma the discs to attain a value for the toroid type magnet( axes are along the axes of the tube
with is the maximum strength possible   then compare to the tesla value for EFH1 and others of the series of ferrofluids of low viscosity or the mag gas
Ths math approach  might yield information about feasibility of using different magnetic media

Construction
 
For this build (MT4) as decision to use a slightly larger diameter tubing than was used in the original build.  Because high resolution images of the single tier EPG systems are available,
it can be determined by photogrammetry that Stan used  0.5  (half inch) O.D. tubing in his single tier EPG series.  Because the cross-sectional area of the tubing increases as the
square of the radius, by using 5/8 O.D tubing a 78% increase in cross-section can be made compared to the narrower 1/2 inch tubing. It was felt that the increase in cross-sectional\area would
reduce turbulence at bends as well as decrease resistance to flow.

From existing images, the diameter of each tier is approximately 16 to 17 inches in diameter with about three loops of tubing in each spiral.

Vertical  connecting tubes connect the tiers with about 4 inches between the tiers. The function of the vertical pipes is essentially to interconnect the spirals so that the flow of
the magnetic materials can be collected at the bottom of the spirals and then pumped though a longer vertical tube to the top tier of the device.

Estimating Quantity of tubing required

For the purposes of this calculation, since each tier has about three loops in the spiral, an arbitrary value of 16 inches was a assigned to the diameter of the middle loop.
The inner loop of the spiral has a slightly smaller diameter and the outer loop is slightly larger with the average for the there loops being about 16 inches

The circumference of a circle  16 inches in diameter is  given by  3.14  x 16 or about 50.24 inches
The approximate amount of tubing for 3 loops per tier is about 150.72 inches
Since there are six tiers about  904 inchesi required
.
"Tip"  Buy fifty or sixty foot rolls of tubing to minimize bending..  The fifty foot rolls  are about the right diameter if cut into 3 equal lengths
     The larger rolls are more tightly wound with the inner windings tightly wound, some times as small as 10 inches which necessitates building a jig
     and a lot of rebending  work
   
    About six feet of straight tubing is required for the input and output connection to the tiers as well as about 16 or so 90 degree "L" connectors.

    Existing line drawings of the multi-tier device show the tier drain connections in a staggered fashion, but except for reasons of mechanical
    strength or stability  there is no reason to do it this way. One can simply make the drains on one side of the tiers and brace as needed.


    Temporary PVC Scaffolding while sizing tubing

    PVC pipe was selected for the material with which to make a temporary frame for the copper tubing.  It is easily cut with hand tools, widely available, and possesses good mechanical strength
    For this build schedule 40  pipe was used.    A hexagonal design was selected.  The tiers are supported at three points because of the alternating pattern of the cross members.
    When building this  structure it is not necessary to glue a lot of these pieces together. Friction fitting and nylon ties can hold a lot together while the copper tubing mock up is
    assembled.

   Standard T fittings were used in conjunction to construct parts using nine inch and four inch lengths of schedule 40 PVC pipe. It's ok to glue these building blocks to make a
temporary scaffolding.  But don't glue anything else.  The structure can be held together with string, nylon ties or just friction fit. A hexagon first tier is made using three of the
"goal posts" with the bottoms of three other pieces inserted into the tops of the 3 lower parts to form a hexagon ring shape scaffold.  The first copper spiral can then be supported
by the structure..  So nylon tie wraps can stabilize the scaffolding.  The second spiral is th3n place on the top rungs of this six sided ladder like scaffold. Additional PVC parts
and spirals are added to form the basic PVC and copper spiral configuration

The spacing between tiers is not critical but the newer version is designed with greater gas or slurry volume for higher power output, increased spacing might reduce the possibility
of arcing between tiers although the circulating pumps need to be capable of the increased load to  more magnetic material being circulated as well as a greater pumping height.

Calculations exist that show the Mechanical pump used in the single tier Mechanical Drive EPG should be sufficient to move slurry at the require gph and flow rate
50 to 90 ips

SELECTION OF SLURRY

    The EFH-1 seen in photographs of the Stanley Meyer estate is currently produced by Ferro-Tec It is thought
    to consists of a light hydrocarbon base similar to kerosene, finely ground magnetite and oleic acid as a suspending agent
    It is relatively stable with a low viscosity and good magnetic susceptibility. Its presence in Stan's  laboratory is spill corrosion
    matching cupric oxalate and a tag on one of the EPG's labeled 1 and 1/4 cup as point to a liquid being used or
   tried in the EPG's. and photographs showing the purchase of at least 1000 ml of the EFH-1
   This product has a very low viscosity when compared to others in the product line.
       
a.  Quick Calculation and sizing of  mechanical pump  six tier system pump

     For this build a larger size 5/8 refrigerator pipe with a value of 0.0162 cubic feet  volume per linear foot\
    was used. Since the volume can be calculated for by using the length and cross-sectional area,
     roughly 88 plus 6 feet or 94  rounded to 100 feet is the amount of copper pipe needed.   Therefore 1.62 cubic feet
    of slurry or  uncompressed mag gas is needed to  fill the  six tier epg system
.
     Since the flow rate is reported as 90 ips for a 3 phase system lets see if we can calculate gallons per hour needed in terms
     of pump capacity. If the flow rate is known and   Since the cross sectional area is area is 78% larger than the mechanical
     pump design  with 134 gph with and the flow rate is  90 ips instead of 50, the gallons per hour is easily determined:   
     134 gph x  1.78  (form increase in crossectional area x  1.8 ( increased flow rate) = 429 gph

       So it appears as though  the Little Giant(r)  mechanical pump might be able to pump the fero fluid in this
      system
if one chose to use that type of magnetic fluid.   
    However there is no public proof that these devices worked as claimed

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Suggested Reading

The Canadian and US patents on Electrical Particle Generators"

Click on a photo attachments       the third photo image is especially helpful in calculating pump sizing

Pause a little between clicking  on forward or back arrow  (photos need time to render or download from the ionizationx server)


1. vertical connector on six tier system
2 scaffold building piece. PVC
3 Stan's comment on velocity of magnetic material
[/color]4 Six tier spirals prior to build
5 Completed scaffold pieces
6 Spirals in scaffold
7 EPG mag drive
8 Little Giant B500 and pressure gauge
9 Little /Giant B500 and pressure guage
10 PIPE SPINDLE
11 B500 pump mounted on base[/
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12 nice high res photo of Stan s device
13 close up of coil tap terminal blocks/circuit board
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Re: Stanley Meyer Mutli-Tier Mag Gas Project
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2018, 17:08:22 pm »
hey g

Thanks for the tip on the direction of the flow vis a vis the hemisphere in which the device is operated
The earth's magnetism may be being used to assist circulation within the device. I am not sure about the magnitude
but the earth's magnetic field is certainly free and can increase or impede flow to a small degree just as there
is an opposing force when trying to move a gyroscope from its spin axis. 

regards
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Re: Stanley Meyer Mutli-Tier Mag Gas Project
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2018, 14:10:26 pm »
hey g

It might be similar to effect that the spin of the earth has on whirlpools. Direction  of swirl depends upon the hemisphere. so I will design the
orientation of the spin with that in mind as well as the magnetic orientation.  Hopefully an increase in efficiency.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Mutli-Tier Mag Gas Project
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2018, 21:55:15 pm »
hey g   check out this  ferro fluid pulse train on coil ,   same idea but inside tube    MIT is transforming ferofluid in to  gel solids in tube to make body armour

depending on applied ext mag you can vary the viscosity   something akin to non Newtonian fluid but only necessary to make the temporary ""piston discs" with the moving
toroidal field which pushes or pumps the lower viscosity mag liquid within the tube

finished the calcs on energy output   now need volume of  mag gas and slurry with corrections for pressure for the gas and size of  slurry or gas pistons which will depend upon the strength
of the orienting and  piston magnetizing coils


regards         

Q4U  are you getting a Gaussian distributing on gal cluster sizes? how are you measuring the viscosity variations at the frequency you are using?