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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2018, 13:33:01 pm »
That is theory.
But the electrodes are part of a closed circuit.......So, ill gues that changes things?


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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2018, 20:51:23 pm »
That is theory.
But the electrodes are part of a closed circuit.......So, ill gues that changes things?

yes i think it would increase the force between the charged plates because its just like it would be to close a magnetic circuit...

the closed circuit you see is to send positive in both directions so they cancel out and so i think should remain inside... or at least more inside and laterals ... i could be
totally wrong.. and the field just get outside but this is my very best impression of it...

in the case if they were cathodes they would have negative charges instead of positive but the idea would be the same.. .

i tried some in the way of trying to reduce the potential of the molecule but i never got this situation where one electrode can interact with each other face to face like on this configuration of the video... i would use dual dc one for each plate and add a choke at each plate than i would try applying some high voltage to the hydrogen and see what happen...

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2018, 00:54:18 am »
of course it must be held at high voltage to be effective if its grounded it will just keep all the electric field inside like would do a regular capacitor

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2018, 03:29:32 am »
Would anyone have a guess why i would use this ?
That paticular piece was made for 13 inch diameter electrodes not the 5 inch diameter electrodes attatched....was an experiment.

I do know why. I listend a 1000 times to what Herman said about his cell.
To change H into D some things need to be achieved. Herman called it Cold Fusion.
The proces is:
Standard electrolysis + a magnetic field that pushes the ions from the anode and a magnetic field that pushes from the kathode.
He also added soft x rays from a high voltage spark and the ionizing effect of high voltage going over corona wire.
In his case a 70,000v.
Thats why he made his electrodes from soft iron.

You tried to make an electro magnet for creating that needed force field.
The question is how you came to the idea of using 2 anodes and 1 kathode or 1 anode and two kathodes.....


cheers!

Hey Steve,
You posted a while back a reference  to Horvath his statement of the required magnetic field using 20% KOH,do you remember what is was ?It was of course in his patent.

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2018, 04:39:12 am »
That is theory.
But the electrodes are part of a closed circuit.......So, ill gues that changes things?
Its interesting you mention that you mention that...these wer old expieriments and i dont have the picture of the coils core split with the clear rubber tube attatching them together via....yep you guessed it ...with a spark gap.
Can a magnetic field increase the current of a spark gap? .....i think so.
Can an electromagnetic field be used to vary the current of  a spark gap? .....i think so.
Is the current simpler to feedback to drive the system?... i think so.
So its a matter of magnetic field requirements matching a required current flow driving a compound resonate system to do work.Work being the movement of created charged ions,pairing of electrons in a resonate condition to form a highly reactive gas.....ohhhh boy.

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2018, 10:21:22 am »
Would anyone have a guess why i would use this ?
That paticular piece was made for 13 inch diameter electrodes not the 5 inch diameter electrodes attatched....was an experiment.

I do know why. I listend a 1000 times to what Herman said about his cell.
To change H into D some things need to be achieved. Herman called it Cold Fusion.
The proces is:
Standard electrolysis + a magnetic field that pushes the ions from the anode and a magnetic field that pushes from the kathode.
He also added soft x rays from a high voltage spark and the ionizing effect of high voltage going over corona wire.
In his case a 70,000v.
Thats why he made his electrodes from soft iron.

You tried to make an electro magnet for creating that needed force field.
The question is how you came to the idea of using 2 anodes and 1 kathode or 1 anode and two kathodes.....


cheers!

Hey Steve,
You posted a while back a reference  to Horvath his statement of the required magnetic field using 20% KOH,do you remember what is was ?It was of course in his patent.

I do remember that i found it in his patents somewhere, but i must say that i dont remember the numbers anymore.
Probably my age........

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2018, 10:23:20 am »
That is theory.
But the electrodes are part of a closed circuit.......So, ill gues that changes things?
Its interesting you mention that you mention that...these wer old expieriments and i dont have the picture of the coils core split with the clear rubber tube attatching them together via....yep you guessed it ...with a spark gap.
Can a magnetic field increase the current of a spark gap? .....i think so.
Can an electromagnetic field be used to vary the current of  a spark gap? .....i think so.
Is the current simpler to feedback to drive the system?... i think so.
So its a matter of magnetic field requirements matching a required current flow driving a compound resonate system to do work.Work being the movement of created charged ions,pairing of electrons in a resonate condition to form a highly reactive gas.....ohhhh boy.


Its a big puzzle and now the way to find a path to put it all well together  ;) ;) ;)


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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2018, 15:10:25 pm »
Man i think i found one of the problems...

when we get the cathode charged it will get hydrogen over it thereto it will develop a potential of 1,24 negative because it has the electrons of the hydrogen available still until it gets out of the cathode as a bubble..

i think the big question is how to make the hydrogen exit the cathode or perhaps how to extract those electrons to make the hydrogen come out as a ionized bubble...


i was watching some khan academy videos about the nearst equation and about concentration cells

i was thinking if there inst a way to use another way to lower this potential of the hydrogen at the electrode...

so i was considering some way around to short this energy out but it would have the problem to provide recombination if the short would have oxygen on the other side,,,

than i started to think what if it is shorted with other electrode other than the cathodes and anode? maybe some one else in a neutral position but i also started to think it would not work

now ┬┤perhaps applying voltage could make just what meyer says in the new zealand... if we apply a positive charge just enough to zeroup the potential of the electrode relative to the anode it would theoretically consume no power if we do this electrostatically..

perhaps the high voltage is just required to keep the potential of the electrodes in such a manner that it allow the current to flow like if it was a short circuit condition generating tons of gas

the idea should consist in make the hydrogen goes out ionized and to bring the potential up to a high voltage that would make it appear like zero volts to the voltage source