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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2018, 03:12:55 am »
Would anyone have a guess why i would use this ?
That paticular piece was made for 13 inch diameter electrodes not the 5 inch diameter electrodes attatched....was an experiment.
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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2018, 11:55:04 am »
In my opinion one of the master problems is to generate such a small voltage

the only way i see with things i have here is to use a dc motor spin very slow to be able to generate very low voltage

i have one here i made from a tesla patent that coincidentally has two inputs or outputs.. .so the voltage output will depend only at the spin speed...

one problem with this is the reactance of the coils because the max current you are able to take out of a motor depends on its impedance.... this motor has a low impedance

however is the only way i could generate from 1 mv to 1v and still would need another motor to drive it at this speed...

i´m thinking that when we get both negative plates in resonance they will alternately be more negative than the other by action of the resonance so it could perhaps force the hydrogen to leave or impart energy on it!

if we have a potential difference between the negative electrodes and we connect each other a current will flow until there is zero volts between them, this current will come from the hydrogen in excess at one plate to the other..

i think the electrode geometry may have a impact on it...

also we can build an bipolar electrodes to help concentrate the oposite electric fields between the electrodes.. when we have two electrodes with same polarity the fields inside zero up unless we take the field from outside and make them oppose each other too

for that what is needed is to build two electrode arrange with two electrodes each separated by a dielectric and encapsulated leaving only one face of the electrodes in contact with water... than connect both encapsulated electrodes to each other.. . it would make the charges oppose each other outside and inside the cell since the field has no were to go... the best dielectric for it would be barium titanate or high dielectric. but i guess a thin plastic like policarbonate and resin could do the trick

still the fields will kind of bend from the sides of the cell ...

one thing that i´m considering as possible way to generate the low voltage required at high amps is some kind of thomson generator... using the heat of the engine as a feedback of energy...

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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2018, 00:24:00 am »
Would anyone have a guess why i would use this ?
That paticular piece was made for 13 inch diameter electrodes not the 5 inch diameter electrodes attatched....was an experiment.

I do know why. I listend a 1000 times to what Herman said about his cell.
To change H into D some things need to be achieved. Herman called it Cold Fusion.
The proces is:
Standard electrolysis + a magnetic field that pushes the ions from the anode and a magnetic field that pushes from the kathode.
He also added soft x rays from a high voltage spark and the ionizing effect of high voltage going over corona wire.
In his case a 70,000v.
Thats why he made his electrodes from soft iron.

You tried to make an electro magnet for creating that needed force field.
The question is how you came to the idea of using 2 anodes and 1 kathode or 1 anode and two kathodes.....

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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2018, 15:58:13 pm »
I never seen this one before, but it is a very coooool magnetic field simulatar....

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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2018, 19:29:45 pm »
I´m not sure but i guess that if we want to generate deuterium we just need to use heavy water...

I dont think we could have deuterium of hydrogen uless we make it react with some neutron praying for it to capture the neutron.. not sure if would happen.. however would require a neutron source such as californium... or something like...

seems easier to get some heavy water

it cost 15.600,00 Reais for 4 kg here in Brazil

2.500, for 500g

https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/151882?lang=pt&region=BR

i´m not sure if is too hard to make it

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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2018, 20:15:44 pm »
Well, i am not going to pay 1000 euros for 1 liter of heavy water if i can make it with Hermans cell.....

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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2018, 06:27:16 am »
interesting! were those coils being pulsed?

i´m dont really believe that magnetic fields could do something... but lets see with or without comparisons so far its already done...
Not to deter from your post  but you mite explain something to me my mind atm isnt seeing....
Why do electrodes become bipolar?
To touch on your post tho...
Harveth and Herman both used KOH to get ionic current to flow like electrons in a wire which concurrently lowered dielectric constant which lowered the mag field requirement for proton precession. ( 100 -800 gauss? ) Harveth posted that requirement if someone cares to look it up we can edit the post.
The magnetic field requirement for proton precession is much higher (1826 gauss) in ordinary water.
I never liked dealing with electrolytes .
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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2018, 12:04:07 pm »
I also dont like dealing with electrolytes..

when i talk about a bipolar electrode what i mean is an electrode that has two poles... but only one pole is accessible to water... it works like this:

when we charge a capacitor we take electrons from one side and put on the other so the lack of electrons attract the extra electron from the other side so the field is contained inside the capacitor... this happens because the fields are going in opposite directions on the outside so they cancel out

when you have two parallel plates and you apply a positive charge to both the plates instead, in the middle of them the field will be zero... this is because the fields oppose each other so they are forced to be only on the outside of the (capacitor).

so my idea of bipolar electrode is a manner to make a outside path for the fields oppose each other and get at least partially in the space between the plates... this will increase the repelling force between the electrodes since the field is forced to work from inside...  i made a drawing for you

If  i remember well the precession of atoms will occur at whatever magnetic field however the higher is the field higher will be the frequency of the precession...

NMR uses high fields to get fast response and more precision on readings,...

the energy involved in this resonance is very low ...  lower than the hydrogen bond between molecules..

i´m not sure but if i remember well the frequency of resonance of water at earth magnetic field would be around 1khz ... if you increase to tesla it will be in the megahertz range

its indeed interesting to think why would it resonate faster ... i read a book about it long ago.. when the field is present the molecules tend to align with the field for them to precess its required an input of energy.. normally some radio frequency signal to shake the molecules... than a trasnverse coil capture the signal of the dancing molecules..

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