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fastimports3:
Interesting take on the alcohol. So why not just mix it in the fogger and call it a day. It appears Walter Jenkins had done it with as little as 5% fuel inside the fogger and fed to the engine. I figured when I was messing with the fogger one could burn less fuel similar to Paul Pantones design. Except your using ultrasonics to suspend the fuel. If I was in to the business of being popular of what I feel like is a scam or misleading. I could’ve done that years ago. Instead of mixing fuel I want to use the Hydroxy gas. Steve had even pointed it out again to me. Why not mix the fog and the HHO to see if it will respond similar to Walter Jenkins claims.

The other part is a gas engine itself is extremely wasteful in the form of heat, like 70%. We don’t need heat just a expansion of air to drive a piston. Or maybe a vacuum on the piston after top dead center. I haven’t gotten so far as to try and run anything solely on the water gas. I have seen plenty of motors run on HHO. They run cold. So some of that energy that is not available. Wasn’t needed in the first place to run the engine. Because most of the energy the gas provides the engine is lost as heat.

geon:
 if you want an engine to run you need the chemical reaction to be more exothermic than the previous ones and the net energy to be positive

when you try to break up water during electrolysis you give energy with 30% losses to heat to make the more unstable version of "water" which is hydrogen

when you burn it inside the engine you take back the energy you gave during electrolysis with 70% losses to heat

what does it take to figure out this can't work?

when you make alcohol you can start from a higher energy density chemical to a lower energy density chemical thus the net gain in energy will be positive, in theory you can convert sugar to alcohol and run the car with it, alcohol water efficiency may reach up to 70% because water acts as an expansive agent, you can't do this with gasoline or diesel. The problem is that you can't make alcohol fast enough with the current technology for the engine to burn. If enough money is spent I'm pretty sure cars could run on sugars, this is the fuel of nature.



fastimports3:
I’m not trying to use electrolysis to generate fuel. I’m trying to use sound waves to arrange another isomeric configuration that happened to be unstable. There is more going on with the fog generated with the ultrasonic diggers then is generally accepted. This is the main focus of my threads.

The combustion engine is highly inefficient turning most of the energy from the reaction to wasted heat energy. Why can’t we use what the engine has to offer to assist in preparation of the the unstable isomeric form of water. Using the engines vacuum to pull on the water molecule should elongate it for easier destabilization.

The easiest way is to add water to a know fuel to get better efficiency. That however is not what the original claims were. It is hard to imagine a person puts so much work into a fraud or even a scam. Not to mention a scam that fooled the US military to show interest. The world around us is perpetually in motion. The electrons are spinning away, all we need to do is interrupt its path with the work we want done.

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