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tektrical:
I've seen a variety of electrolysis electrodes on YouTube.  One guy made a tiny hho welding torch using a syringe and some double edge razor blades for the cell.  Someone else is using ss cover plates from weather proof electrical boxes.  About the cheapest is spirals made from ss hardware wire.  So I tried that one:

(https://s20.postimg.org/6arapkk6l/Spiral_Electrodes.jpg)

One spiral was wrapped around the lag bolt, the other around the spring.  A smaller wrap holds its size better.  They're assembled with hot glue and a short piece of half inch plastic tube.

My pictures show distilled water with a quarter teaspoon of salt.  The negative spiral puts off the most bubbles, but that works with either the inner one or the outer one.  After a while, the water gets filled with tiny bubbles, but they never go below the bottom of the spirals.

This unit was hooked up directly to a 60 Watt solar panel, on a cloudy day.  The water does warm up a little, but that just means less heat needs to be added later.

Since polarity doesn't matter with this setup, I'll try AC in series with a small light bulb.  And I've been testing three other configurations made with these spirals, although this is the only unit which is not polarized.  The others act as a diode.

Speaking of ss, I'm going to use restaurant sauce cups for my Hydrogen fracturing column.

(https://s20.postimg.org/7r2t7pn3h/Sauce_Cups.jpg)

Steve:
if you use a spiral shape cell you might add an external capacitor and see if you can hit resonance...

What is your purposr for these builds?


cheers

massive:
wow , you live in the actual real desert . like apache territory coyotes ratlers etc ....

Ive tried coils etc also tried sheets of fuel filter gauze its like 100 x 100 holes per square inch = 10000 holes
I guess because of such small conductor theres no waste current in the centre of the conductor X section, its mostly surface area + direct contact with water

tektrical:

--- Quote from: Steve on October 02, 2016, 08:55:54 am ---if you use a spiral shape cell you might add an external capacitor and see if you can hit resonance...

What is your purposr for these builds?


cheers

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When I first started this project, I just wanted a quick and easy electrolyzer to run my micro flame hho torch, to see if I can weld ss connecting wire to ss plates and cups.  I also have a delicate part on one of my carburetors which needs to be repaired.  And I often fantasize about using a tiny torch with a 3D printer, to print out metal objects, without NASA's expensive laser version.  Now that I'm into the project, I can see the advantage of being able to see the bubbles and the way they interact with the charges on the conductors.  When I get to the point of using an electron extraction circuit, the outer tube will need to be perforated on at least the side facing the third electrode.  So I built one cell with a third spiral between the two active ones.  I don't want the T spark effect to just go to one of the electrodes, but into the region between them.  The same will be true if I use Bruce Perreault's Glo-regulator as the single wire circuit, to pull out the electrons.   (Just the bottom part of the picture, with the 1J3 vacuum tube.)

(https://s20.postimg.org/x5ymjrk19/Glo_regulator.jpg)

I agree about using an external capacitor to adjust the resonance.  I'm planning to get a toy keyboard (electronic organ) so I'll have a variety of square wave frequencies to test.  (My guitar amps put out around 500V.  Or so I've read.)  The first cell I made was a modified inverted caduceus which has a built in resonance.  This is the one which has the diode effect - at least with salt as the dielectric.  The actual input electrode is in the very center and connects at the bottom.  I intend to explore this effect further in a couple of weeks when I get some more distilled water.  If I can get a transistor effect going, it'll be easy to adjust the gas output.

(https://s20.postimg.org/z0bh1i71p/Caduceus.jpg)

And I'm also going to test a cell with four electrodes, wired up like a C Stack.  Then the cell's capacitance, and resonance, will be adjustable by varying the potential on the outer spiral, relative to the inner most one.


--- Quote from: massive on October 02, 2016, 21:56:54 pm ---wow , you live in the actual real desert . like apache territory coyotes ratlers etc ....
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I'm in the eastern end of the Mohave desert.  The Apache girls are some of the most beautiful I've seen.  But around here, 35 miles from the Grand Canyon Sky Walk, it's mainly Haulapias.  (They own the Sky Walk.)  The rattlers here on the property are friendly enough.  At least the diamond backs and the coon tails.  I haven't seen a Mohave Green, but it's reputed that they attack on sight.  So I always stay tanked up on ground cumin (cumino), a spice from India which is an anti-toxin as well as a natural antibiotic.  The coyotes are a real nuisance.  One or more packs have been coming in two or three times every night here lately, trying to get my cats.  So I've been losing a lot of sleep.  I can always scare them off, but after a couple of hours, there they are again.


--- Quote ---Ive tried coils etc also tried sheets of fuel filter gauze its like 100 x 100 holes per square inch = 10000 holes
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I wonder if that gauze would work as a quenching circuit plate?  If it was wadded up and smashed down.


--- Quote ---I guess because of such small conductor theres no waste current in the centre of the conductor X section, its mostly surface area + direct contact with water
--- End quote ---

You're probably right about this.  Even smaller wire seems better.  Like the scouring pad strands I used to 'string ball' wrap my caduceus top ball.  Gas just pours off the very edge where it's really sharp.  I'm also thinking about trying the super thin Tungsten wire in the electron gun I got from the Sharp copier I salvaged during the Great Sharp Copier Salvage of 2013, when everyone was doing it.

Cheers.

tektrical:
My computer crashed most of the way through my last message.  While retyping it, I forgot one thing I included the first time.

The way the bubbles are going into suspension, I'm thinking about aspirating some of that water and feeding it directly into my Injector.  Since it already has hho, it could be like having that much gasoline from a small cell.  There's been some work going around here lately with nano bubble ball lightning.  So I'll try hitting a small amount of the cloudy water with my BL spark.  Moray King thinks this could be the key to using water as an energy source, rather than as a fuel, although I have my own idea about where the energy comes from.  (Binding energy in the form of surface tension.  E=MC^2.)

http://rexresearch.com/kingmb/king.html

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