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Electrolysis => Electrolysis => Our Alternator => Topic started by: hydro on November 28, 2007, 21:15:37 pm
Title: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 28, 2007, 21:15:37 pm
I am very proud to have the knowledge to make this post, i can only hope you can take this such small information i have to offer and put your trust into it, and better it.
what i've learned was not given to me, i was not spoon feed nor had anyone to work with till recently. the information i have to offer is true, it works and it's exactly what everyone is wanting to get their hands on! so here it is, i hope you can take this and do something good with it!
The Top of the forum index works its way all the way down to running your car on water. at the time of creating this forum i did not know what i am about to release to this private group, now that this is known, things will now start to flow and the hydrogen technology will now take a 360 degree turn for the road to success.
Dave Lawton, Bob Boyce, Stanley Meyers, and others. they all used it.
lets get right to the point, i'll make this small and fast. The D.14 offered a way to gain this "signal" to the cell, it was close, but not close enough, the results was harsh.
me, in this forum i have posted such circuits, learned from dave lawton i bettered the circuit, dave lawton was trying for this signal using the d.14. but his electronics is not worthy of producing them! neither is mine, but both it's damn close.
now the circuits i have posted on this site, it does produce overunity! this has been proved, onlookers get pissy and critisize the fact that overunity can and will be produced with this circuit! however the circuit is still flawed and can and will be bettered.
the alternator produces the 100% pure frequency needed to bust the water! the wave generated by the alterntor itself is very close, but still not enough.
those of you that know what AC current is, you know what the wave will look like on the oscilloscope.
the wave needed is a ac sine wave rectified with a bridge to look like bumps, the bumps should not be fine bumps but with ripples! this wave with ripples will produce overunity, the circuit this site offers produces part of the wave, thats why it works so well, the alterntor produces both waves if connected properly.
stevie, can you upload a picture of the wave the alternator gives? it is this wave you want, but the waves should be a frequency it'self.
the wave is a frequency inside a frequency, and i have produced it many times! the electronic circuit tries to make the same frequency the alternator makes, but it cant.
i will try to draw a picture of this wave form you need.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 29, 2007, 00:17:58 am
Here are 2 pics of my scope, which is slowly breaking down on me...The first part of the signal is not so nice anymore. I go look for some better drawings as well, Hydroman.
br steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 29, 2007, 02:42:05 am
stevie to get the second wave atop of the wave you are showing, you need to hook the mosfet to the alternator as i have told you in the very beginning. you need not to pulse the field coil as it will not work, you will have to make the alternator generate its own electricity before you will see that wave atop the wave you're showing.
i can generate 40psi in 4 mins, or 20 in 2. i'm not even sure i am using the proper frequency, i think if i spin the alternator even faster "like i have it in my schematic", i will get even greater results, you have the driver motor to do this with stevo...
whats the rpm's on your driver motor stevie?
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2007, 03:27:12 am
this is the 2 waves i recorded when i was gaining overunity!
my oscilloscope is a 5Mhz HeathKit, it was given to me broken and i repaired it.
it's a square wave lol, you cant see the ringing in the pictures because it blurred when i snapped it, anyways it has ringing atop the square wave, and it don't have a normal shape.
stevie,,, you need to hook your circuit exactly the way i have mine and take your oscilloscope and confirm this wave.
in the previous post, i assumed the wave, today i got out the old oscilloscope.
i don't know if the old scope is right, but this is what i am getting overunity with...
i got like 60 psi in 4 or 5 minutes, i forgot..
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2007, 03:46:05 am
Hi Hydro,
Which circuit are you referering? Is it solid state circuit or with alternator? Please PM me the circuit as I do have osilloscope to verify.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2007, 03:49:35 am
here is the circuit i am using.
stevie,,,, i hope you caught the flaw in the circuit i give you today? oops
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2007, 04:12:46 am
Thanks Hydro,
From the diagram, if I understand correctly, there are primary motor coupled with secondary motor (car alternator). You used Y-configuration at alternator side to output more voltage to cell. Previously, I did some experiment with RV (Rotor Verter) using 3 phase motors previously. I manage to turn 3 HP motor using DC inverter and spun nearly 10,000 rpm (without load) with just around 12 watt of input power.
3 phase motor is more efficient compared to car alternator but not sure if the high voltage output from 3 phase motor can be used for this cell. If time permits, I will try with 3 phase motor and report the results.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2007, 14:32:48 pm
He, Hydrocars,
I rememberd the old circuits I made with you. That was also swithing the negative to the rotor.
Nice wave pictures. I am happy for you that the scope is working again. The wave shows us the waveform which we find in Stanley Meyers patents.... With one exception. In this setup the volts drop to zero. In Stans patents you see always some dc left on the cell.
By the way, it looks like resonance on the rotor..... Is your FET getting hot? (BEMF?)
Br Steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2007, 17:03:11 pm
no the fet doesn't get hot. the diodes could run a little cooler though, with this alternator i get the best results at 1.7 amps, with my last alternator the best results was around one amp, but i tore the copper outta that alternator, dangit.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2007, 20:22:07 pm
So, finally my test with your setup Hydrocarsmandude
I got the same signals, and thats positive I am sorry to say that gas output was not better or worse. The positive side is that with my current 3 tubes setup any improvement is difficult to see by eye. The gas was good. I was reading something about the 3 phase resonance stuff and one showed me a pic of a sinus going thru the signal. I found that one as well. But that was by 5 amps. But he. Your tubes are differend then my tubes. I hope by the way to finish the new wfc nex weekend. Still waiting for the stupid acrylaat clue...
Ok, now the pics.
Its true that you have to focus on a specific pic, but if you are looking at the scope, you see the changing of peaks. The 3 phase peaks.
The second picture shows the standard bumps of a rectified 3 phase AC signal. The first picture shows in detail why you see on the second picture the ground, because the bumps are now buildup out of pulsed squarewaves.
Hopes this info helps you all, my fellow waterplaying friends...:-)
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 03, 2007, 13:17:39 pm
So, finally my test with your setup Hydrocarsmandude
I got the same signals, and thats positive I am sorry to say that gas output was not better or worse. The positive side is that with my current 3 tubes setup any improvement is difficult to see by eye.
Guys
I think you're on to something! It made me think about something I read in one of George Wiseman's books recently. I do not have his book with me right now so I am only giving the outline of the story. In short, George wrote about the different qualities of gas. He wrote about a very high quality gas that he has experienced only a few times in his life and could not yet replicate this type of gas on demand. This type of hydrogen gas appears to be much more powerful than Browns gas! However, he knows this quality of gas does exist because at the time they were able to run an large engine on a small electrolyzer alone. In short, for the engine to run on the small quantities of gas being generated at the time, this type of hydroxy gas had to be more than 64x as powerful as "normal" hydrogen. Unfortunately they couldnot regenerate the exact condition aftwerwards. All ke knows is that they were running the electrolyzer (a small series cell) from the alternator. George speculated that the frequency of the alternator could have resonated with the water / metal or setup as a whole.....
Anyway, is just sounds as if this is related to your own discoveries. What can we learn about about George's experience? It is not necessary the amount of gas being generated that matters, but it is the QUALITY of the gas that matters!!
In other words, Stevie, by using harmonics you might be generating a much more powerful gas than usually but the amount of gas will appear to be the same. The ONLY way you can know is to actually connect your setup to an engine and try and run it even though you would think that the amount of gas would be way too little. You might be just as surprised as George were at the time!!!
Let us know what happens.....!!
Wouter
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 03, 2007, 14:37:02 pm
its correct about the harmonics, Hydrocar and me are looking at. The spikes, the harmonics, the volts and amps are the key with the alternator. The fact that the alternator is powering it self is also very nice. You only need kinetic energy for turning the alternator. I found out with my Variac that the electromotor doesnt need much to turn the alternator.
Now we know what kind of signal we are looking for, we can go replicate it with transformers and electronics.
We hope to publish more about this, soon.
br Steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2007, 01:31:02 am
From the diagram, if I understand correctly, there are primary motor coupled with secondary motor (car alternator). You used Y-configuration at alternator side to output more voltage to cell. Previously, I did some experiment with RV (Rotor Verter) using 3 phase motors previously. I manage to turn 3 HP motor using DC inverter and spun nearly 10,000 rpm (without load) with just around 12 watt of input power.
3 phase motor is more efficient compared to car alternator but not sure if the high voltage output from 3 phase motor can be used for this cell. If time permits, I will try with 3 phase motor and report the results.
Hi Kumaran,
Finally i have found the circuit and what every one wants to focus on, okay took me a while, okay i can say to based on what Kumaran stated the RV ( i said this earler) is the most efficient way to spin this, not only this we have a FREQ driven inverter with an on board battery which can charge from the BEMF, so we can try this RV motor using Hydro/Steves circuit and Freq drive the RV motor/ALT to get the efficiency up.
Okay back to the lab for me.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2007, 04:41:21 am
Yes, somebody got to try out RV for electrolysis. I wish I could have more time to test different circuits.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2007, 06:08:02 am
stevie,,,, i hope you caught the flaw in the circuit i give you today? oops
Hi Hydro,
I am still getting all the materials together to build. I just had a question about the alterator hooked up to the circuit.
You show just a single circuit hooked up to the alternator and then to the cell, have you tried with the doubler circuit? and are you not using the chokes now?
I was also thinking you could try stepping up the voltage after the alternator to see if it provides better output. A simple circuit can step up the voltage from 12V to 10,000V if needed. High voltage has strange effects on water.
Regards,
Shodan
BTW great job with the alternator results.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2007, 11:24:40 am
stevie,,,, i hope you caught the flaw in the circuit i give you today? oops
Hi Hydro,
I am still getting all the materials together to build. I just had a question about the alterator hooked up to the circuit.
You show just a single circuit hooked up to the alternator and then to the cell, have you tried with the doubler circuit? and are you not using the chokes now?
I was also thinking you could try stepping up the voltage after the alternator to see if it provides better output. A simple circuit can step up the voltage from 12V to 10,000V if needed. High voltage has strange effects on water.
Regards,
Shodan
BTW great job with the alternator results.
Good question. I will give you a good answer. In our tests with electronics and trafo's we found out that with not isolated tubes, you never ever can use high voltages ,like Kv's. In our current setup we still havent add any chokes/coils. Remember, the output of the alternator has some specific elements in it. Like volts, amps, harmonics and spikes The results with our setup are great. We have more gas then we need. The point is that with the coctail of signals coming out the alternator, you proberly dont need extra coils. Now, we are trying to create a non moving alternator setup.
My advise: buy yourself an alternator and a drivermotor. Hook them up to your wfc and see for yourself. The alternator is selfsustaining.
Br Steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2007, 21:49:22 pm
Hi Stevie,
Thanks for the reply.
I am going to head to the wrecking yards this weekend to see if I can get a cheap alternator I have an old pedestal drill which is broken but the motor is still good so I will use that as my drive motor
Hopefully I will have it all up and running before the end of the year.
Regards,
Shodan
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2007, 23:35:11 pm
try to leave the diodes inside the alternator, the internal fan will keep them cool. test each diode.
if you cant keep the diodes inside the case you will need a way to cool them. we will show you guy's how to hook the diodes soon.
your alternator should have a small vbelt pulley, and driver motor pulley should be 5 to 6 inches in diameter.
factory says alternators fly apart at over 3000 rpm's, i am not sure. so take caution.
i will be back soon.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2007, 18:15:38 pm
hi there is a guy on you tube called chrispcrunchy..he talks about deutrium oxide that is present in water but more in snow and hail as it is also ionoised from the atmosphere and frozen ..he states palladium cathode and platinum .he is willing to pass his knowledge on as he has to me when i have triggered his attention to my theories...so just placing my ideas with those that know more about electronics as i am struggling with that side.....harmonics...he has tried to simplify harmonic theory by telling me meyer is using the frequency generator to act in co hoots with the alternator that then makes the third frequency to the water as the natural capacitor in an ac steam/water injector please go to his site (no interest matters on my side .just trying to get ideas passed on to others) melvin and that is my real name !
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2007, 19:40:05 pm
i've seen the vidoes. he uses salt! he also talks about frequencies etc,,, i have tried to contact him several times and he just will not talk to me at all. i feel he is another ravi.
what he did in them videos can not be done with ordanary water.
he is a member at a private site that i am also a member of, i've seen his post and have read about how he did it, but why he would not take time to even say hello to me is just a nose snurl. i'd rather not use salt or thousands of volts anyways because it don't work.
besides, you know what salt water would do to an engine over a small periode of time?
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 10, 2007, 03:37:39 am
factory says alternators fly apart at over 3000 rpm's, i am not sure. so take caution.
Methinks that would be 30,000 rpm, as 3000 is idle speed given pully sizes in stock setup
Turtle
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 09:54:23 am
thank you for correcting me on that turtle, it makes much more sense now lol. my motor is around 3k rpm's and the way i have it geared it must be getting clost to 3k, so i assume 3k is what i run at.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 12, 2008, 22:36:42 pm
New here,
I read in an earlier post in this thread about a frequency within a frequency. Any ideas on this:
-Kevin
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 13, 2008, 00:51:10 am
im not sure what you mean with the link? i am on 56k and don't have time to watch the video right now.
3 phase harmonics is 3 frequencys, at the time of this thread we was still learning what was going on.
it turns out 3 phase harmonics is where you get the best hydrogen. if you pulse that, you will get a square wave from a sine wave with 3 phase harmonics on top of the square waves.
it sounds like to me you may have been reading from the internet? i can only assume you have the vic mixed with the fuel cell? however the 2 should not be mixed, there is nothing hard about what stanley did with his fuel cell in his video.
the water fuel cell had nothing to do with high volts low amps, it never did, this is where alot of people get lost.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 10:25:28 am
Hydro
How does your approach differ from Alaskastar's approach as described at
I quote Alskastar: "I have Wiring Schematics that can cure this question of EXACTLY how to re-wire an alternator, to not have a regulator, run the rotor at full field, AND NOT burn up the rotor, and comply with the laws of thermodynamics"
Alskastar's schematics are available at http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/AlaskaStar/Wiring%20Schematics
What can we learn & use from his schematics?
Wouter
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 14:08:10 pm
I let you know very soon. Just got my 12 diodes....
br
steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 17:32:35 pm
I quote Alskastar: "I have Wiring Schematics that can cure this question of EXACTLY how to re-wire an alternator, to not have a regulator, run the rotor at full field, AND NOT burn up the rotor, and comply with the laws of thermodynamics"
Alskastar's schematics are available at http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/AlaskaStar/Wiring%20Schematics
What can we learn & use from his schematics?
Wouter
yawns, just woke up. in my setup you use no battery, you know when the alternator is tuned by watching your hydrogen output, when it turns so white you cant see threw it you have hit 3 phase harmonics. the field coil never gets hot nor uses an external battery. the field coil only uses 1 amp.
my new 12 cell is untested with the alternator at this moment.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 20:44:20 pm
yawns, just woke up. in my setup you use no battery, you know when the alternator is tuned by watching your hydrogen output, when it turns so white you cant see threw it you have hit 3 phase harmonics. the field coil never gets hot nor uses an external battery. the field coil only uses 1 amp.
Hydro
That's indeed impressive!! :o Is the schematic posted at http://ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=140.0 the complete setup that doesn't need a battery?
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 22:05:57 pm
yes, thats the beta version that works without external battery power.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 23:03:06 pm
Wouter, Hydro,
The 12 diode setup is NOT good. I get more amps in the old 6 pack setup. Voltage is the same.
Case closed.
br steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2008, 00:43:11 am
no comment
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2008, 09:29:54 am
The 12 diode setup is NOT good. I get more amps in the old 6 pack setup. Voltage is the same.
Case closed.
br steve
ps
some diodes are set wrong in that schematic
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2008, 20:47:56 pm
Hydro, Stevie
We are all friends with the same goal and we are all doing research so it's just natural that we might differ from each other from time to time, but in the end, two heads is better than one!
Hydro, could you elaborate a bit on the results of tests that you have performed on the setup as per the schematic posted at http://ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=140.0 ? I would love to give it a try, if you are confident that it works just as in the schematic. (You do not perhaps have a link to a video that I can watch in this regard?)
Stevie, could there be a difference between your setup and Hydro's which could explain why you do not get the same good results? What is wrong with the diodes?
Thank you both for answering my questions!
Wouter
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2008, 21:13:52 pm
Wouter,
I think that you think that Hydro and me are using different setups? That is not the case. We have similair self sustaining alternator setups. I also use a FET for controlling the voltage on the rotor. With the same electronic circuit....
My comment about the 12 diodes was on the aurora schematic. Hydro said to me that it was a waist of time....thats why he wrote: no command....(read as: nahahahahaha, I told you :D)
Yes, I also think that more heads are better then 1. Question: Why do you think that my results are not good? What did I mis here? Have you seen my youtube vids?
br Steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2008, 03:46:38 am
We are all friends with the same goal and we are all doing research so it's just natural that we might differ from each other from time to time, but in the end, two heads is better than one!
You are absolutely right!
<insipid grin>
Turtle
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2008, 18:00:23 pm
Question: Why do you think that my results are not good? What did I mis here? Have you seen my youtube vids?
Steve
Sorry, a misunderstading! ;)
I thought you meant that you tried Hydros' setup and it did not produce good results with you. My mistake...
Is the selfsustaining setup you are using the same one as posted at http://ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=140.0 ?
I would love to watch your videos, can you maybe post a link?
Wouter
Wouter,
on the top of our forum, on the right is my first vid. On the left you see the vid of Hydro. I ll guess that Hydro's vid will be changed very soon with a new one.
In this topic you see all 4 of my WFC vids http://ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=85.30 You can also search on stevie1001h2 on youtube.
About the circuit, the answer is yes. I use the same. The point is that it doesnt matter what kind of switching circuit you use. Any circuit will do, even the famous Dave Lawton...ONLY you have to use the wiring and the fet setup as drawd.
Have fun!
br steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2008, 15:49:06 pm
Stevie
Your videos are very impressive! But on 26 December you poseted that the Second test with alternator gave a gasoutput 0.32 liter per minute.
Using a series cell with close to Faraday production would give 1 LPM @ roughly 15 amps @ 13.8V.
Thus the gas production with the alternator seems to be way less than Faraday, yet you say the setup is self sustaining? What am I missing?
Wouter
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2008, 22:24:07 pm
Hi Wouter,
With normal electrolysis, it seems that a plate cell, like Kumaran is using is the best solution. He has now an efficiency of 94%!! For your info, he got that with the alternator as powersource!!!!!!
My WFC is not efficient at this moment. Its main purpose is to be impressive for demonstrations. The question why is proberly because the watercontainer is too small......
br Steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2008, 23:16:38 pm
Your videos are very impressive! But on 26 December you poseted that the Second test with alternator gave a gasoutput 0.32 liter per minute.
Using a series cell with close to Faraday production would give 1 LPM @ roughly 15 amps @ 13.8V.
Thus the gas production with the alternator seems to be way less than Faraday, yet you say the setup is self sustaining? What am I missing?
Wouter
self sustaining is when you take the alternators output and feed it back into its input so it can power itself without the use of any battery source. i'm not sure what all stevie has going on over there....
me and stevie both learned that you may get 1 ltr per min and we may get 0.30 ltr per min, the difference is in the hydrogen, it seems to be much better. the real test on my big cell has yet to come.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2008, 04:22:01 am
Hi guys,
Yes, I'm getting 94% on brute force. But I still believe pulse driven cell will give much higher gas production for the same amount of power. Why?
First, using brute force method just apply power to the cell. The gas flows out as normal. Then cut off power to cell. Observe the cell will still produce gas for sometime after power cut off. Why? The cell now becomes like water capacitor where the discharge happens between plates through electrolyte. This cause the gas flows out until the plates got discharge fully. This just my theory so don't shoot me if I'm wrong.
If use pulse method, during pulse on the gas flows out as normal and during pulse off plate still produce gas. If the pulse hit resonance, the cell should produce very much higher gas production.
For me, why I go for brute force method is because it's easy to setup without much hassel. I hate to deal with electronic problems and its expensive to maintain. If apply same amount of power for brute force and pulse mehod, I would say pulse method sure winner.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2008, 20:22:21 pm
self sustaining is when you take the alternators output and feed it back into its input so it can power itself without the use of any battery source. i'm not sure what all stevie has going on over there....
me and stevie both learned that you may get 1 ltr per min and we may get 0.30 ltr per min, the difference is in the hydrogen, it seems to be much better. the real test on my big cell has yet to come.
Hydro / Stevie
I understand that it is the "quality" of the gas that makes the difference. I (and I am sure others on this thread as well) would love to replicate this selfsustaining setup. Would you mind to provide us with a list of the steps to be followed for a successful replication?
Thank you in advance!
Wouter
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2008, 21:12:17 pm
yes passion1, i can do that. i would rather wait until i got my new fuel cell hooked up. also, i will upgrade the circuit from a beta version. this circuit works like it is, but there is some bugs that i need to work out for the ones that don't understand how to work it.
each cell is diff, it is up the the user to find the harmonic or sweet spot, you know when you hit it because hydroxy starts to flow and the load on the alternator is not critical with my 6 cell setup.
right now i am waiting on my fets to get in, i already have a wye alternator waiting. this time there will be no bugs in the circuit, thats why the circuit i posted is the beta version, the new and final circuit is yet to come.
since i am the only one working on this, it takes time to get the proper schematic to the public.
it would help to have someone to work with so they can create me a pdf, i can do it myself, but its hard to do everything.
for the guy's waiting on this circuit to be released, go ahead and get your single 555 timer circuit ready for installing a mosfet later "the mosfet should always be external", get you a wye alternator, delta is ok but i found that a small geo,swift,sprint,suzuki alternator is the best you can possibly get, you leave the diodes intact. have your cells waiting, the rest will come as soon as i can get it to you.
also you can thank chasson for helping out on this circuit as he has donated to help further our research as well as one other member that wishes to be left unknown.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 10:35:33 am
yes passion1, i can do that. i would rather wait until i got my new fuel cell hooked up. also, i will upgrade the circuit from a beta version. this circuit works like it is, but there is some bugs that i need to work out for the ones that don't understand how to work it.
each cell is diff, it is up the the user to find the harmonic or sweet spot, you know when you hit it because hydroxy starts to flow and the load on the alternator is not critical with my 6 cell setup.
Hydro
That's excellent! I cannot wait for you to hook up your new cell!! :o In the meantime I will get the parts.....
E-mail me: woutero at mweb dot co dot za and I will draw your final circuit using LiveWire/PCBWizard software if you want.
Wouter
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 11:02:58 am
sounds nice passion, i would love that, but i don't have a laser printer nor have i ever made a pcb. that sucks!
i would like to start making pcb's.
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 02, 2008, 21:06:23 pm
Today I built the alternator system.
setup: 240v ac motor turning a Y alternator @3800rpm - 400hz sinewaves produced on oscilloscope then rectified.
results: with 5 volt straight dc on rotor - output on cell from rectifier is 5volt rippling dc - good gas generation with pulsed dc on rotor(using lawton PWD) - output on cell from rectifier is 5volt rippling dc (no squarewave as i hoped for) - good gas generation
selfsustaining setup as shown on this site but using lawton PWM for control - I found that if the capacitor on the rotor is not connected notting will happen. what value should this cap be? I had some problems with this setup. a)Current on the rotor stays too low even with 100% duty cycle only 0.8Amp is consumed on the rotor. b)I cannot get the squarewave with harmonics as shown by hydro and stevie. I am thinking that this may be due to the IRF640 mosfet that I am using on the pwm.. It seems that it is not switching ON and OFF contineuity to the cell as it should do.
HyroMask
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 02, 2008, 21:08:36 pm
Can you help me out please thanks
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 02, 2008, 21:55:45 pm
Hi Hydrogenmask,
Let me rewrite what you wrote.... You put 5 VDC on the rotor and get 5V rectified on the stator side? Hmmm..NOT GOOD Do you still have the original controlling electronics in the alternator? You must only keep the diodes inside or outside your alternator! Everything else must leave.
If you put 12VDC on the rotor (strait DC) and run the alternator...What kind of voltage do you get on the 3 wires? Or on the output of the diodes?
The capacitor on the rotor can be anything above 1000uF. I have 4700uF.
Br Steve
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2008, 00:03:15 am
whats your pulley setup? feel free to start a thread and add pictures, i would be honored to see them!
the cap i used was 200 volts 450 Uf, 450 is not crucial it just helps to regulate! if you do not use a cap, "you should find it very hard to regulate", if its not touchy to the potentometer without the cap then something is wrong.
the capacitor i used was 0.01 on the frequency, 304k stamped on the side.
it does matter how you have the rotor connected to the field coil. also it is very important that you have your diodes all installed properly, also check for faulty diodes.
also the wfc plays a roll to! what is your plate setup? how many amps does your cell usually pull from a car battery?
the alternator i started out with, its rotor could pull 6 amps max, my new alternators rotor can only pull 3 amps max. you should be running somewhere around 1 amp, what i mean is put you an amp meter between the stator and the rotor, see how much power you are using there, you shouldn't be using 2 amps, my setup works the best at just 1.6 amps. the output amps going into your cell should be very high, my alternator setup forced 15 amps into my cell at around 20 volts. you can have your rpms to high, if its to high the alternator sounds like its about to blow up or something.
all fets are not good, first check that your fet is capable of allowing the flow of atleast 2 good amps into the rotor from the stator by using amp meter like i said before.
when you get harmonics, you will notice no load at the start, you will then slowly turn your pot, you will notice a slight load on the driver motor, just a tad bit more, and thats where i get the harmonics. i had just learned that not every atom has one resonate frequency, this is why the harmonics work so well.
im sure you have more questions, i will be here throughout the night, i want leaving you hanging long. i would like to add that the FQA30N40 Fet is the best fet you can possibly find, if you find one better let me know! i cant use my alternator because i have no fets. anyone know of any? i don't want any half inch small ones, this fet was atleast 3/4th wide. i miss it much!
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2008, 16:35:29 pm
Ok guys lets find out what is wrong step by step. It is easier for us to find out the bug. I`m going to start a new thread so go there. (alternator setup)
Title: Re: Understanding And Creating
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2008, 06:59:46 am
Hydrocars, There is little information on the wye alternator on google. Where did you get your info on the insides of one and how to identify it? Thanks again.