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Title: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2008, 20:36:27 pm
Hi,

For all of you who wanna do tests with BEMF is here a schematic.
The working is as follows:
You charge with a squarewave the coil.
The coil is the resistance for the electron flow.
You pulse the coil.
In parallel is one tube cell to pick the first charge, when voltage goes up in the circuit.
When the pulse is gone of the circuit, the coil will discharge and you get an reversed current.
Polarity changes and you catch the reversed charge with the capacitor.
Across the capacitor is tube nr.2
This second tube will only produce hydrogen when there is BEMF.

components are:
coil = primairy coil of MOT or similair coil with minimal 0.5mm thick wire
capacitor = bipolar capacitor of minimal 250V 
Diodes = anything that can handle 250V and some amps
Frequency = around 1 khz or higher..
Gating = play with it

You can hear the coil make noise!

If you have any questions, just ask.

br
steve
Title: Re: BEMF setup with 2 tubes
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 25, 2008, 13:40:45 pm
i will look at this soon, gots to get sleep, i need sleep haha
Title: Re: BEMF setup with 2 tubes
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 25, 2008, 17:50:50 pm
This is really cool.
How good does the bemf actually work?
Title: Re: BEMF setup with 2 tubes
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 25, 2008, 18:00:54 pm
Very very good....lol
bemf is cooling the wfc and emf is heating the wfc.

br
steve
Title: Re: BEMF setup with 2 tubes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 24, 2008, 19:56:45 pm
Hi brothers in crime,

I came on this youtube vid.
This person is explaining about what EMF is, BEMF and collapsing spikes.
Go have a look.


br
Steve
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 14:54:17 pm
Hi,

Today after some playing with the simulator, i found someting very nice.

Copy the code into our simulator and see how Bemf runs back into the resistor aka wfc.

http://www.ionizationx.com/circuit/index.html

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v 96 288 96 160 0 1 50.0 120.0 0.0 1.5707963267948966 0.5
w 240 160 272 160 0
d 272 160 336 160 1 0.805904783
w 336 160 368 160 0
w 336 240 368 240 0
w 448 160 512 160 0
l 368 160 400 160 0 2.0 0.23097646229360633
w 400 160 448 160 0
r 448 240 528 240 0 5.0
w 512 160 528 160 0
w 528 160 528 240 0
w 160 272 160 288 0
w 96 288 160 288 0
r 96 160 160 160 0 100.0
w 160 160 160 208 0
d 336 240 336 160 1 0.805904783
l 368 240 448 240 0 2.0 -0.23097646229360344
w 240 240 336 240 0
T 160 208 192 208 0 4.0 1.0 0.033764459332861596 -2.767968146355493E-15
w 240 160 192 208 0
w 240 240 192 272 0
w 160 272 160 240 0
w 192 272 192 240 0
o 8 64 0 35 2.5 0.4 0 -1
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 15:47:06 pm
I have indid tried that circuit in my work bench, just with different values, it does work better.

I was playing with this one as I was thinking about Bob Boyce's circuit.

$ 1 5.0E-6 2.922428378123494 50 5.0 50
l 160 96 160 176 0 0.1 5.739868136589064
l 272 96 272 176 0 0.1 5.730576851474977
l 384 96 384 176 0 0.1 5.717409315728182
l 496 96 496 176 0 1.0E-4 -8.853698044265467
t 112 192 160 192 0 1 4.999751241728672 5.0 100.0
t 224 256 272 256 0 1 -14.608419308477037 0.0 100.0
t 336 320 384 320 0 1 -14.608361798180603 0.0 100.0
w 384 176 384 304 0
w 272 176 272 240 0
w 496 96 384 96 0
w 384 96 272 96 0
w 272 96 160 96 0
w 496 96 496 48 1
r 496 336 496 400 0 5.0
w 496 336 496 176 0
l 496 400 432 400 0 1.0E-4 2.0570310001553325
g 384 400 384 416 0
w 432 400 384 400 0
w 384 336 384 400 0
w 448 336 496 336 0
w 448 336 448 304 0
d 272 240 336 240 1 0.805904783
d 384 304 448 304 1 0.805904783
d 160 176 224 176 1 0.805904783
w 224 176 224 192 0
w 224 192 448 192 0
w 336 240 448 240 0
w 448 192 448 240 0
w 448 240 448 304 0
R 336 320 272 320 1 2 1000.0 2.5 2.5 4.1887902047863905 0.5
R 224 256 144 256 1 2 1000.0 2.5 2.5 2.0943951023931953 0.5
R 112 192 48 192 1 2 1000.0 2.5 2.5 0.0 0.5
g 272 272 272 288 0
g 160 208 160 224 0
c 496 400 560 400 0 9.999999999999999E-5 0.7874285058197481
g 560 400 560 416 0
r 496 48 416 48 0 0.01
R 416 48 352 48 0 0 40.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
c 496 96 544 96 0 0.0010 11.913303378434275
g 544 96 544 112 0
o 13 64 0 35 80.0 25.6 0 -1



Now one thing interesting when the SIM is running this,,, if you replace the power source resistor with a wire, the SIM will crash.... SIMs will crash on OU circuits... they can't calculate...
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 18:09:21 pm
Yes, i seen that mistake as well... ;)
Its interesting how in this setup, the bemf is taking over, so the wfc is keeping dc on it and the proces of electrical polarization
(wohaaa) continues.

I also made a sim with a trafo with centretab.
Works great too!

I know for sure that ravi was doing this on his tubes. 1 bifcoil per tube. Using the Bemf after every pulse in the pulse downtime.
Like Stan said. 2 pulses for the price of 1 :)

br
Steve
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2009, 17:24:04 pm
Hi,

Accoording to the Radiant_1 aka Zeropoint, i added 2 Coils up to a strait dc powersupply.
As you can see on the video, the sparks are indead from Bemf pulses.
My setup is a controlled sparking circus, and so, there is not much of self oscillating cirquit.
But you can clearly see the sparks......
Next steps is to remove the relais with a self controlling spark.
Anybody suggestions?

As you can see, my workbench had a real hard time, the last view years... ;)
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2009, 18:45:12 pm
cool, do you want to draw a pic pls?
like to know how the mot's are conneced t the relay
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2009, 21:20:26 pm
I am downloading . ;D
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2009, 02:02:24 am
Hey Steve pretty cool
I have found however...that green arc is wasted BEMF energy. To collect it put a reversed diode across the terminals.
Like this
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/Jdub6d9/spst_relay2.gif)
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2009, 11:38:30 am
Ok, good tip.
Let me try that on..

Steve
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2009, 19:12:15 pm
Hmmm,

Radiant, the diode, with or without capacitor didnt do anything....

Steve
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2009, 20:51:41 pm
The circuit you are looking for is this:
 http://www.geocities.com/mistertippy/schematics/CEMFC.html
Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2009, 21:14:00 pm
i took the honneurs to place that picture here.
Thanks, Yaro.

br
Steve



When the button is pushed the inductor will generate a small amount of CEMF that will charge the capacitor (the CEMF generated is of opposite polarity to the source, so the diode allows only the CEMF to get to the capacitor). When the button is released the inductor generates more CEMF that charges up the capacitor further. After many cycles of pushing and releasing the button the capacitor will have a considerable amount of energy stored (up to 400V or more using an electrolytic, or 1kV or more using a non-electrolytic). To simplify the charging process a pulse generator can be used in place of the push button. And in order to get higher voltages faster, use an inductor with a high inductance (1H or more work good), and the time between changing states (from on to off) should be as short as possible. And for a powerful output use an electrolytic capacitor, or for a higher voltage output use a non-electrolytic.

Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2009, 23:19:08 pm
Radiant , I dont really understand the circuit you made .

The relay is there for on-off , but what is the power source  ?

Is there a coil in wfc side of the circuit  ?

Title: Re: Bemf test setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2009, 01:15:21 am
stan says he could turn the power source on for 15 seconds and produce hydrogen for 94 seconds with power source off.. he calls that 94 seconds that gas is still producing the off put time (which is allowing a discharge gate).. he says if you were to leave it on it would reach the maximum flow rate of water going into the gap.    so is the off put time slowly allowing the water to discharge but by pulsing it in a manner that restricts discharge for 94 seconds but is still able to be used to throw the electrons furthest from there equilibrium?