Bob Boyce

[Voltar X]

Please check out waterforfuel.com to see Kevin's alternator/ac to dc set-up. (YouTube). I think he's on to something with his inputting of d.c. volts into the alternator. I am working on a 61 plate Boyce-style plate system using Kevin's alternator design. One difference though, I will be adding a high input voltage, variable,  mutliple bandwidth, d.c. pwm to the equation. So the setup would be this: 12vdc battery to 1500 watt dc/ac inverter to a 13 amp variac, to a bridge rectifier to the input of the variable pwm, to the pos.neg. terminals of a second, belt-driven alternator. Mod the alternator output to produce a.c.; leaving the neutral a.c. wires alone, mod the other wires with a bridge back to d.c., now send those three wires, pos. d.c/neg. d.c/ and neutral back to your cell. Please let me know if any of you have tried this setup.

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Hello fellow enthusiasts! This is my first post here and I would like to share my results. I am electronically challenged so please don't ask me to explain mathematical theories or why it works. I, like many others, have been using 302 plates from H. Depot. I learned, from a metal place here in FL. , that when the boaters use stainless (even 316) on their railings, it must be treated with acetic acid or it will corrode. I place the plates in tupperware container with white vinegar for a week before I use them. Before I do that, I sand the plates N & South and E & West, rinse them off in distilled water and then put them in the container. As Boyce said, wear gloves and keep your fingerprints off of them. After a week in the vinegar, I rinse them off with distilled water and let them dry. Next, following Boyces instructions, I bundle them all together and wrap 6 turns of copper wire around them. One end of the wire goes to the positive terminal of the battery and I quickly touch the other end to the negative end of the battery (a dozen times or so.) For some reason, my production is much greater than not doing this, and the plates don't show any sign of corrosion..despite that they're 302. I use 13 plates, one negative and one positive with all neutrals in between. Enjoy

Voltar X

Thank you for the information.
Did you actually perform tests with electrodes not magnetized vs magnetized to compare the real time gas production?
Did the soaking in the vineagr make any difference in the gas production?

Wouter

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Passion 1: visual only..water stayed cleaner, noticeably higher production..amps/volts stayed the same. Am not ready to due volumetric testing until I have worked out the alternator assembly.  It's not just the vinegar treatment but also the magnetising of the plates that has increased production. Tap water only. Refuse to go the distilled-additive/high amps, low volts path. Tap water, high volts, low amps. Teeter-totter effect.

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Hi steve  and others,
 
 I have been reading some of the stuff here, quite some fire works, see you made this site as well turtle
 well I will read some more, Steve post post any thing you like from the private I sent to you email all of it if you want, that should bring out some talk.
 I see some one agrees with me Bob is leaving some thing out, with the full information any one should be able to replicate the results,  the Alternator one mentioned some where, well that the 'Archie blue, stuff, I like that set up as it closely goes with some of the stuff that i have done in the past.  with three  phases there s a phenomenon that happens it is some thing that in the electrical control, and with stand by  power system's hate and try all ways to get rid of, but here on these project, is the stuff that you want.
there is one particular 'thing ' that happens I will be trying to show this some time, get it right no 'magical extra power required' all explainable.  there is a point where at the particular harmonic, the Voltage will be 85 times that of the fundamental. It is some thing that happens in the industry that is hated, but I think that could be used here.
I am developing a different line, but it is pure power pulses with a lot of current but NOT MUCH FROM THE POWER GRID, this was something that in one of my jobs in the power industry we utilized, we used hundreds of amps, but took very little from the grid, if the power company found out what were doing they wold have tried to stop us. but it was a LEGAL. 
Well that's all for my first post I will try and post some pic later, more to read here first to get the 'feel of this forum'
aussepom   

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Welcome and revisit with your explanations and methods. Any help is appreciated. We try anything here.

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So, mate, is it a case of power factor, the Boyce circuit utilzes a phase-shifting approach that masks the actual power being drawn from the grid?   I've heard of that, but not completely understood it.

Turtle

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Hi there Turtle
 You on the right track again mate, yes we had to screw up the power factor, to what is normally not achievable.
 As you know the best you could normally get is about .98, we got to 1, and 1.05 it cost a bit but what is cost was small compared to the gains on the testing that was done, the circulating currents in the circuit were huge, hundreds of amps at 415v.  Well I have been tied up with our 'Bob Boyce replication' we are doing the main test Sat 21st, every thing as been done as per the 'info', but there is a lot I think that is not being told, well we will see on Sat. Ian is a 'Joe Cell' expert and has a new book with his friend in South Australia, 'JMax' so 'unusual power' he is aware of.
I am almost getting ready to start on the 'Oz Injector' again funds are getting better.  All the research and testing around the 'BB Cell' l have been looking at some of my stuff, I have a 'new type of circuit' back to the large circulating currents and high voltage pulsing, it involves out of phase stuff and harmonics.
well that's all for now.
aussepom

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Hi Aussepom,

Have you read this topic, yet?
Its about the Bob replication of me and Electrojolt.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,695.0.html


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Steve