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Title: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 02:14:06 am
We must uncover every meaning of this pdf .

This is the most important knowledge ever , how to we *unhappen* bonds ?

Forget dielectric breakdown by high voltage across space of water , I wanna *unhappen bonds* .

Read and re-read this document .

Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 02:23:32 am
i already have this.....along with a ton of other pdfs.......if you want other amazing pdfs i can post them there is even an entire book on scalar waves......but i need some sort of poll.....i have many things to do.....

edit: i didn't have this one just checked.....i am reading it now.
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 02:41:16 am
once again.....so many parallels with so many other people's work......tesla, ed gray, lindemann's writings, and seredas writings........
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 02:45:06 am
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Now watch this video 3 minutes and beyond .
Title: Why is snow white ?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 18:17:53 pm
I believe we touched opon something interresting yesterday , outlaw was thoerizing on this .

I said the following .

So what if it were possible to *pump* our water (dipole) , I believe this is what Stan was referring too , this is the broken symetry we are after , this is how I believe Daniel Dingel was creating electricity , this is what Stephen Meyers was saying . The *art of pumping*

What if we could do this , would the water then be charged ( like a capacitor ) , could we then apply a polarizing force using the waters *own magical charge* to break itself in a unipolar way with a diode in the circuit .

Or maybe this is just the way the gas gets more GTNT power .

Plz discuss ,  I believe this hypothesis takes into account why we simply cant charge our water capacitor and fills in the blank holes .


Title: Re: Why is snow white ?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 01:30:42 am
I believe we touched opon something interresting yesterday , outlaw was thoerizing on this .

I said the following .

So what if it were possible to *pump* our water (dipole) , I believe this is what Stan was referring too , this is the broken symetry we are after , this is how I believe Daniel Dingel was creating electricity , this is what Stephen Meyers was saying . The *art of pumping*

What if we could do this , would the water then be charged ( like a capacitor ) , could we then apply a polarizing force using the waters *own magical charge* to break itself in a unipolar way with a diode in the circuit .

Or maybe this is just the way the gas gets more GTNT power .

Plz discuss ,  I believe this hypothesis takes into account why we simply cant charge our water capacitor and fills in the blank holes .


I always liked the way Stan's cell was pressurized. (He had a PRV - Pressure Relief Valve attached of course) So many of other cells being tested are being operated at atmospheric pressures. Does HHO generation increase as pressure is increased?

I see so many tube cell designs securing the tubes very well, thus, the mechanical force of some of these new cell designs inhibiting the resonance properties of the tubes while the electromagnetic generated signals are applied. Stan only secured the base of his inner  tube and used spring steel for the outer tube.

Maybe it's the pumping action that occurs when bubbles rise to the surface pulling more water up between the tubes to be electromatically charged.

I like the fact that Stan used the bump method with power on/off/on/off. Maybe it was also the reason he chose 304 stainless over 316 stainless in his tube design. 304 of course is slightly ferromagnetic. Power off was enough to allow the gas bubble to separate/release from the tube and escape, while the residual magnetic property in the 304 tube material maintained water molecule electron alignment until the next "on" phase could separate. So what if the water gets a little dirty.

Per Admiral Griffin, Stan delberately deoptomized his demonstration cell used in his 1980 patent and used 14" length tubes. Why are 27" length tubes reported as being optimal and so explosion risky? Why is snow white? ;D

I personnally did a tube test and even though  both inner and outer tubes weighed the same with the smaller tube being about an inch longer the resonant frequencies of each didn't match. I will need to notch the outer tube so they both ring the same (like tuning forks).

Thanks for your Tom Beardin link Dankie! I'll have to study this more.

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Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 03:18:29 am
the danger in longer tubes is the fact that the water molecules pulsed at high potential difference(this is what i will call it from now on instead of voltage) splits the water then as it continues to float upwards through the pipes it will become ionized and as it floast higher it will become unstable and eventually ignite, also igniting all hydrogen within the container......i personally do not believe in the "tuning fork theory"......i believe in the waveguide theory as the true resonant action not the physical resonant condition of the tubes such as a pipe organ.....that for one is never mentioned in stan's technology......maybe harmonics and multiple frequencies such as bob boyce and andrija puharich's work but stan's is a different.

stan always waited for his cell to build up 6psi of pressure before using it's gas.......he says this in the new zealand house lecture videos....
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 03:32:21 am
I believe more pressure means stunted gas production . At least this is what  Bob Boyce is saying .

Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 14:38:24 pm
the fact alone that he attests John Kanzius a Dr. title makes the whole pdf dubious and untrustworthy.

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[space-time] = [virtual particle flux of vacuum] = [energy]

lol
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 14:45:06 pm
the fact alone that he attests John Kanzius a Dr. title makes the whole pdf dubious and untrustworthy.

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[space-time] = [virtual particle flux of vacuum] = [energy]

lol

Well I dont think he bothered too much researching into the guy , he just saw the video and layed out a hypothesis , a very well informed hypothesis . There is nothing more out there about Kanzius .

Obviously , what we are trying to accomplish here is way beyond your simple EE .
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 15:43:09 pm
yea because you seem to have a wide background in theoretic physics and scientific research in general aside from watching google video documentations and reading pdfs which aren't researched well (you did admit this in your last post). i believe meyer's technology can work but it's not that university science and especially their methods are not based on proof instead of wild guesswork.
so instead on driving myself crazy with mysterious mib, the belief that 90% of the people - especially scientists - are "sheeple" and such i attend a university (like meyer did by the way for some time).
see which thing gets us farther.
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 15:48:22 pm
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[space-time] = [virtual particle flux of vacuum] = [energy]

looks like e=mc2 backwards and in other words..   space time= constant speed of light
virtual particle flux of vacuum seems like it could me atom density??? and energy..  C2= mass= energy?
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 16:01:25 pm
yea because you seem to have a wide background in theoretic physics and scientific research in general aside from watching google video documentations and reading pdfs which aren't researched well (you did admit this in your last post). i believe meyer's technology can work but it's not that university science and especially their methods are not based on proof instead of wild guesswork.
so instead on driving myself crazy with mib and such i attend a university (like meyer did by the way for some time).

I connected the dots and I am not in EE , I was in construction engineering but I quit because it was too boring . Now I'm doing industrial electronics @ cegep (college ) , I may or may not go to EE but if I can get this working why would I waste my time with more boring school , besides these people are dumb , most of them are straight impractical and dont know shit .

For me , its all about assmilating the info and the dots connect by themselves , and yes its theoretical and I read and trust these pdf's , thx you . What kind of propaganda *accepted science* are you talking about , I trust more Tom Bearden than the american science institute ? When is the last time you heard them talking about Stan Meyers ...

The way Bearden gives the info is subtil , hes an undercover for us , tiping us off in the open with extreme knowledge .






Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 16:35:04 pm
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most of them are straight impractical and dont know shit .

fucking zombies lol they need to WAKE UP
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 18:11:48 pm
First: The pdf of Bearden is nice.
Second: What does he mean with it all?
Its in the Stan Meyer bla bla bla category, if you ask my opinion.
All the stuff makes sence on the first view, but at the end its all crap.

I say this from a practical point of view.
I tried to hit the water with HV spikes. I tried to hit the water with LV spikes. NO difference at all.
Have you ever shot a gun into water? If not, then watch the Mythbusters on TV. They performed that once.
As you can see, the bullet from a 0.50, which is very powerfull, didnot come futher then 1 meter and thats that.
So, water has a structure that consumes energy's.
It's a perfect filter for all kind of materials. Look into your cup of thee when sugar is dissapearing.
So, what about voltage spikes? Well, to make them "punch a hole", you need current flowing.
If you hit it with NO current, then the spike will go NO where.
So, you need current. Well, Stan and I agree on that part. Lucky for him... ;)
I think Bearden will agree on that as well. Mr. Kanzius used also lots of power for his tests.

Not sure where i go with this post, but anyway. The only option left is the golden middle.
Try like 0.5 amps on your cell and pulse on top of that some spikes and see what comes out of that.
In phase or 180 degrees out of phase...I do not care at this moment.
At the end you have a voltage potential with electrons flowing = current.
If you do not use a steady limited currentflow, the water will always return into equilibrium.
SO, all the trouble of pulling the molecules apart will be for nothing.

There is one exception. It seems to be possible to gain the freed electrons with an EEC circuit.
There are some options open.


br
Steve





Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 18:23:30 pm
I just want to add this:

Experiment, test, and share your results. Theory is very nice, but reality is a different monster.
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 18:29:35 pm
the fact alone that he attests John Kanzius a Dr. title makes the whole pdf dubious and untrustworthy.

lol

and for anyone who is questioning tom bearden's authenticity.....

He was a nuclear engineer, wargames analyst, and military tactician, Lieutenant Colonel (retired) Tom bearden has over 26 years experience in air defense systems, tactics and operations; technical intelligence, antiradiation missile countermeasures; nuclear weapons employment, computerized wargames; and military systems requirements.

Tom Bearden obtained a Master of Science degree in nuclear engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology and a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics from Northeast Louisiana University.  He is also a graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College and several U.S. Army artillery and missile schools.

This is the foreword of a research book and is written by John T. Ratzlaff.


so even if bearden gave a person the title Dr........he himself is far more credible then your one superimposed statement.

lol
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 18:33:17 pm
the fact alone that he attests John Kanzius a Dr. title makes the whole pdf dubious and untrustworthy.

lol

and for anyone who is questioning tom bearden's authenticity.....

He was a nuclear engineer, wargames analyst, and military tactician, Lieutenant Colonel (retired) Tom bearden has over 26 years experience in air defense systems, tactics and operations; technical intelligence, antiradiation missile countermeasures; nuclear weapons employment, computerized wargames; and military systems requirements.

Tom Bearden obtained a Master of Science degree in nuclear engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology and a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics from Northeast Louisiana University.  He is also a graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College and several U.S. Army artillery and missile schools.

This is the foreword of a research book and is written by John T. Ratzlaff.


so even if bearden gave a person the title Dr........he himself is far more credible then your one superimposed statement.

lol.

Looks like a perfect CV for a counter intelligence agent?  ;)

br
Steve

Wow, just 1 post away from the 1000 posts. What will i give myself as present?
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 18:38:16 pm
stan says current creates chaos in the cell. it doesnt allow the water to polarize. the polarization process happens because of no current and its between the 2 different vectors. one vector is giving clockwise the other counter. one is bombarded with electrons the other holes.. a storm has a high and a storm has a low.. a tornado is no different then a lighting strike in a sence in comparison its transfers of potential are happening realtivly slow and in massive current?


outlawstc
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 18:43:11 pm
Bearden is too hard to understand to be an counter-intel agent , the guy is talking chinese .

A cointel agent is something like the Ravi doceument , something big , something popular .

Tom Bearden isthe crazy old guy in the corner...

Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 19:25:30 pm
stan says current creates chaos in the cell. it doesnt allow the water to polarize. the polarization process happens because of no current and its between the 2 different vectors. one vector is giving clockwise the other counter. one is bombarded with electrons the other holes.. a storm has a high and a storm has a low.. a tornado is no different then a lighting strike in a sence in comparison its transfers of potential are happening realtivly slow and in massive current?


outlawstc

Hi Outlawstc,

I like your theory's very much.  :)
But i have some questions for a long time on my mind, like have you ever asked yourself how the watermolecule looks like when polarized?
Every oxygen atom is surrounded by 4 hydrogen atoms. If you build that into like a 3Dcluster, you see that it is practically impossible to get some kind of polarization in it. The other thing is that water is not 1 substance. Not 1 cluster, as to speak. It hold multiple clusters.
Current is aligning the clusters. Make is into strings. A string can be resonated. A non string cannot. Glas can be resonated. Wool not.
If there is something to be resonated on atomic level, then where do we need to look for? The nucleus? The electrons?
If a voltage spike can perform work, as Stan said, then what part would it tickle? It doesnt reach into the free floating waterclusters without current.

Well, i am not totally honest here. I have made in the past a transmitter which had a 7.8hz modulation on it. That aparatus enterd the human bodycells.
And it had a great effect on the health of people. So, a RF signal, like FM in my case, can penetrate water very good as well.
So, we have actually 2 options: current or RF to reach the watermols.

br
Steve
BINGO, 1000 posts



Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 21:12:42 pm
much not physics related stuff
what has being in the army to do with developing theories for our universe? that doesn't give him any credibility nor takes it. i dont care if anyone has a title or not as long as he is doing good research.

and who would say that (space-)time is the same as energy? maybe someone can explain this.

If a voltage spike can perform work, as Stan said, then what part would it tickle? It doesnt reach into the free floating waterclusters without current.

stevie, if you do not believe that voltage under some circumstances can perform work, which is understandable, why do you put further effort into researching the meyer technology? or did you stop with that after you became aware of this thought?
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 21:52:15 pm
they are all theorys and i havent built any of this  still working on getting materials for my alternator. i have done lots of research and have observed many peoples very helpfull experiments.. the way i see it electrons being forced from one side over the cell you are sending to many electrons then it can pass.. water isnt solid so it doesnt pass electrons like copper.. it will cause chaos in the fluid.. electrons are like wind to water... but if you raise the difference on each side.. the current isnt going in the cell because of the way the opposing charges are attracted to each other sitting in the bifilar..  with a balance difference it is more work for them to cross the cell.  but if they were on seperarte cores they wouldnt share that attraction anymore that kept them in the choke.


outlawstc
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 22:08:06 pm
if your going to quote me quote me correctly......much not physics related stuff......oh yeah i don't remember saying that......the quote button is used for just that...quote someone.

credentials and a resume make just that.....a person credible.

who are you again.....oh yeah that's right username haithar........who is what?......a person on a forum......hmmm who should i believe??

Tom Bearden with his Master of Science degree in Nuclear Engineering and  Bachelor of Science in Mathematic...wait what was that again...oh yeah MATHEMATICS........

oh but i forgot how much you knew about Mathematical Theories.

Einstein said that there was no energy in the vacuum...no mass no energy simple as that where Max Planck said that there was unlimited energy at the Zero-point node.......these two argued it out until einstein began to realize that max was correct and that in Quantum physics we see that Light is something unusual that pulls energy from somewhere else.....IE other dimensions....Light is not a particle nor is it a wave!....it can act as both but light is LIGHT......therefore as you aproach zero point where no temperature and no mass occur there can be UNLIMITED Energy since we do not understand light and it's unknown variables.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime)

this is by far above any of our heads.

and as far as i see it.

I would trust someone who works in Quantum Physics and with Associates of the Field.

over a faceless internet forum user.

space-time= dont even try to talk like you udnerstand space time in mathematical concepts HAITHAR.

LOOK AT ANY OF BEARDENS ASSOCIATES......a good 80% of them work in the Quantum Physics field.
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 23:01:35 pm
why should you believe me? i didn't invent a theory for anyone to believe, also i'm only a college student.
of course i will revoke all my criticism if any physicist with credit understands the paper or actually accept parts of it, or i'll see tom bearden flying around space in his unlimited energy ufo.
anways, i just wanted to point out that the tone of the article is not what i would consider neutral or reliable, supported by things like incomplete research on persons. but it seems as if these things don't count here, i'll be glad if anyone informs me if he has a working zero-point energy device, as long as that is not the case i'm out.

regards
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 23:25:29 pm

space-time= dont even try to talk like you udnerstand space time in mathematical concepts HAITHAR.


Funny  ;D
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 23:28:47 pm
i'll be glad if anyone informs me if he has a working zero-point energy device, as long as that is not the case i'm out.

actually he does.

listen to the tom talks tesla interview from 9:39 on.....he names people that he works with in his group and what they have invented.

your judging a person you don't know a thing about.

im not sure what's more flawed...his quantum equation or your assumptions.
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 23:34:21 pm
much not physics related stuff
what has being in the army to do with developing theories for our universe? that doesn't give him any credibility nor takes it. i dont care if anyone has a title or not as long as he is doing good research.

and who would say that (space-)time is the same as energy? maybe someone can explain this.

If a voltage spike can perform work, as Stan said, then what part would it tickle? It doesnt reach into the free floating waterclusters without current.

stevie, if you do not believe that voltage under some circumstances can perform work, which is understandable, why do you put further effort into researching the meyer technology? or did you stop with that after you became aware of this thought?

Good question. I wonder this my self many times.....
My answer is that i keep an open mind on things that are unknown. Like, that it is strange that somebody is making statements, like Stan Meyer, in patents. Statements like vapourizing 5 gallons of water in a minute. He was granded a Patent on it. So he must have showed it. Of course it seems impossible to get that much of results with such a very small tubeset, btw. (I ran my tests. No matter how much power you put in that tube, you never get 5 gallons vapourized)

But i gamble on 3 developments.
I have improved electrolysis with a system that doesnt need chemicals. I run engines on that system.
I do research on electrolysis with use of NOAH or KOH for comparison reasons.
And the unknown technology's, like Meyer, Puharich and many many many others and of course some stuff that i do myself.

I am curious from nature. If there is more outthere, i wanna know it.

Oh, and before i forget:
This forum helps me and the members to get idea's. To share idea's. Sometimes we have fights here. But thats ok. We are all the same. We are researchers. Each on our own levels. There is only 1 stupid question here. The question that is never asked.....

So Haithar, please stay. Stay critical.

Best regards
Steve
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 23:37:06 pm
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Every oxygen atom is surrounded by 4 hydrogen atoms. If you build that into like a 3Dcluster, you see that it is practically impossible to get some kind of polarization in it.

Since oxygen has a higher electronegativity than hydrogen, water is a polar molecule. The oxygen has a slight negative charge while the hydrogens have a slight positive charge giving the article a strong effective dipole moment. The interactions between the different dipoles of each molecule cause a net attraction force associated with water's high amount of surface tension.

Electrons are not always shared equally between two bonding atoms: one atom might exert more of a force on the electron cloud than the other. This "pull" is termed electronegativity and measures the attraction for electrons a particular atom has. The unequal sharing of electrons within a bond leads to the formation of an electric dipole: a separation of positive and negative electric charge.

water is a polar compound making it a dipole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_molecule#Polar_molecules

now when h2o is sitting next to it self it may hold a neutral cohesion between its neighboring compounds(h20) wheres it has the brick patter effect off consistancy like you say.. but because theres 4 next to the oxy they are not all bonded to the oxy.. only 2 per oxy..  stan said all you have to do to turn water to gas is get the water polarized and let the voltage take over and do work by voltage tickling and plucking electrons.  when the water dipoles line up in polarization its like you just formed a capacitor.!! a capacitor material inside is solid dipole material. why do you think some caps have one direction flow for cu.. its because the dipole materials inside are polarly aligned for capacitance


outlawstc

Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 23:44:54 pm
i'll be glad if anyone informs me if he has a working zero-point energy device, as long as that is not the case i'm out.

actually he does.

listen to the tom talks tesla interview from 9:39 on.....he names people that he works with in his group and what they have invented.

your judging a person you don't know a thing about.

im not sure what's more flawed...his quantum equation or your assumptions.

Kinesisfilms,

I found that document of Bearden very interesting to read. However. There is not much of body in it that proves something.
I know the record of Mr Bearden and he deserves lots of respect. But if a person like Bearden is publishing such a doc, then i think its very thin.
Then please show testresults. A real sciencetist proves statements with decent testresults. Mr. Bearden was such a scientist. Not sure if he has lost it somehow. Any professor at my old university will laugh on such a paper. Even my daughter must publish here testresults as prove of here statements in scienceclass.

br
Steve



Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 23:52:09 pm
see you are judging bearden on this LOAN SINGLE document.....treat this document more so as a statement.....not a thesis.

bearden elaborates in his books.

he has written many books.

this document is him just saying hey today something was discovered that will revolutionize our future.

that is it. and nothing more.

this is not his life's work in 6 pdf pages.

so as for his proven statements....once again this is a short quick to the point pdf to give you a taste of what has been figured out.

as always. he will most likely write a book on this.

until then i suggest people understand the difference of short pdf's and concluded works.

bearden has enough written concluded work to give this short pdf credibility.....and that is my point.
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 23:56:05 pm
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Every oxygen atom is surrounded by 4 hydrogen atoms. If you build that into like a 3Dcluster, you see that it is practically impossible to get some kind of polarization in it.

Since oxygen has a higher electronegativity than hydrogen, water is a polar molecule. The oxygen has a slight negative charge while the hydrogens have a slight positive charge giving the article a strong effective dipole moment. The interactions between the different dipoles of each molecule cause a net attraction force associated with water's high amount of surface tension.

Electrons are not always shared equally between two bonding atoms: one atom might exert more of a force on the electron cloud than the other. This "pull" is termed electronegativity and measures the attraction for electrons a particular atom has. The unequal sharing of electrons within a bond leads to the formation of an electric dipole: a separation of positive and negative electric charge.

water is a polar compound making it a dipole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_molecule#Polar_molecules

now when h2o is sitting next to it self it may hold a neutral cohesion between its neighboring compounds(h20) wheres it has the brick patter effect off consistancy like you say.. but because theres 4 next to the oxy they are not all bonded to the oxy.. only 2 per oxy..  stan said all you have to do to turn water to gas is get the water polarized and let the voltage take over and do work by voltage tickling and plucking electrons.  when the water dipoles line up in polarization its like you just formed a capacitor.!! a capacitor material inside is solid dipole material. why do you think some caps have one direction flow for cu.. its because the dipole materials inside are polarly aligned for capacitance


outlawstc



The force of the H sitting on 1 oxygenatom towards the Oxygenatom from his neighbours is almost as big as the bonding to his own Oxy.
Thats why water has such a strenght. Its because of the all attractions inside it.
Please try to think in 3D.

Please read my research:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,602.0.html

Just a small part of it:
Each oxygen atom is typically surrounded by four hydrogens--two close ones from its own molecule, and two further away on nearby molecules
The oxygen has a negative charge, and the hydrogens a bit more positive--a charge separation called a dipole.
In water, the dipoles are already partially aligned. This without any applied voltage field
Clusters of nearby molecules act as a single, larger dipole, enhancing the field more than they would on their own
Each oxygen pulls the hydrogens further from the oxygen in neighboring molecules, which increases the charge separation within each molecule and therefore the strength of each molecule's individual dipole.

I think we are not so far from eachother on this..

Best regards
Steve
Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 25, 2009, 00:06:20 am
i'll be glad if anyone informs me if he has a working zero-point energy device, as long as that is not the case i'm out.

actually he does.

listen to the tom talks tesla interview from 9:39 on.....he names people that he works with in his group and what they have invented.

your judging a person you don't know a thing about.

im not sure what's more flawed...his quantum equation or your assumptions.

Kinesisfilms,

I found that document of Bearden very interesting to read. However. There is not much of body in it that proves something.
I know the record of Mr Bearden and he deserves lots of respect. But if a person like Bearden is publishing such a doc, then i think its very thin.
Then please show testresults. A real sciencetist proves statements with decent testresults. Mr. Bearden was such a scientist. Not sure if he has lost it somehow. Any professor at my old university will laugh on such a paper. Even my daughter must publish here testresults as prove of here statements in scienceclass.

br
Steve





Seriously , when was the last time we saw clear black on white scientific results of some OU device . Such accomplishements are never out in the open for you to see , this stuff is always very obscur . They are usually described and patented by the way they operate , results are NEVER published ... What are you expecting seriously ? Him to show you his machine , Here's my OU device , pulls energy from the vacuum , 1 watt in , 10 watts out .... BINGO ... Its never like that ...The COP factors you hear from of certain devices are mostly always coming from these sites like peswiki , rumored to have been ...

I believe Stanley Meyers patents are simply a diversion , he presented this technology as if it relied on resonance and coventionnal understanding . But it relied in fact on very *obscur* science that is still not accepted by the scientific community , notice that non of his *state-space* stuff was never patented ... Conventionnal knowledge on all the patents ... Everything was made to appear to be , to mimic ...

Anything that has to do with *scalar waves* would be a BIG NO NO for the patent office , automatic refusal .


Also , we have a very BIG issue , an issue that simply cant be resolve . The water cannot hold a charge under any condition , it cant . And we know it wasnt done with a special coating .


But what if the charge is not coming from our physical dimension ( this is already accepted science )  .

My hypothesis takes this into account and connects the dots perfectly , no anomaly anywhere , connected heavily to other proven technology , universe follows this science , dna and cells follows this science .

I dont care about none of your past experiments , IN FACT , you never even posted any values for us to try to ponder on your system , you ACTED LIKE ...














Title: Re: Attention Attention !!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 25, 2009, 01:06:36 am
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Also , we have a very BIG issue , an issue that simply cant be resolve . The water cannot hold a charge under any condition , it cant . And we know it wasnt done with a special coating .

do we need the water to take on charge?  or do we need the atoms to be effected by electrical forces of opposition..
lets just say if i was a electron i would most likey want to fall to earth.. but if i were a proton i would want to fall to the sky. lighting is the transfer of electrons to ground.. but what causes this sudden burst of potential transfer??? the build up of exsessive electrons in the cloud?  until it reaches a potential high enough to jump right? does a cloud dipole orient its self to where all positive are facing up and negtive down.. just like   a cap.??? does that huge mass of evaporated water capacitace extra eletron in it because it is a positive 2 charge? 


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