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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Topic started by: Steve on December 06, 2008, 20:31:37 pm

Title: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 06, 2008, 20:31:37 pm
Hi members,

The last years we seen lots of waterfuelcells being build.
Many of you produce some amount of hydrogen/oxygen on demand! :)
Thats the start of the whole proces. When we look at how people like Stan Meyer powerd his engine, then we can say that he changed the energystate of the produced hydrogen/oxyhen mix. He was prevending the re-combining of the atoms from hydrogen and oxygen to water molecules as long as possible. That way he gained much more power from the same amount of produced gas.
The theory of Stan Meyer was to plug electrons out of the gas.
That way, the hydrogen atom couldnt be linked to the oxygen atom.
On the otherside, if it is possible to plug out the electrons of the oxygen atom, then it will stay unstable as well.

There has and is always the question if we have to believe Stan Meyer.
Hydrocars tried and confirmed the High Voltage ionization proces and shared this some months ago with us!
So the proces has basically confirmed. Now its time to confirm it all together.

So, here we are.
TIME TO START BUILDING IONIZATION EQUIPMENT!  :D

We of the Ionizationx team hope that you join in and publish your idea's and building projects, so we all learn and end up with an engine running with less produced gas!

br
Steve

Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 06, 2008, 21:32:59 pm
Hi,

Here you see a testboard of Hydrocars with his LED Lasers for testing a photoninjection system for ionizationproces

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Steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 07, 2008, 05:08:37 am

A few comments / suggestions :

Reducing the burn rate of HHO by mixing with exhaust gasses, ambient air intake, LED, and electricity. Possibly also PCV gases as well.

Switzerland video 1989.


Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 07, 2008, 16:41:40 pm

A few comments / suggestions :

Reducing the burn rate of HHO by mixing with exhaust gasses, ambient air intake, LED, and electricity. Possibly also PCV gases as well.
Switzerland video 1989.


Thank you JAFO.
I hope you join in and show us some projects here.

br
steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 07, 2008, 17:43:25 pm
Hi,

Here you see a testboard of Hydrocars with his LED Lasers for testing a photoninjection system for ionizationproces

br
Steve
Hello Stevie
What is the effect of the laser on the hho ?
Thank you
Najman
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 00:34:41 am
Hi,

Here you see a testboard of Hydrocars with his LED Lasers for testing a photoninjection system for ionizationproces

br
Steve
Hello Stevie
What is the effect of the laser on the hho ?
Thank you
Najman

Hi Najman,

Please read following link. I explained it mostly there.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,407.0.html

br
Steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 03:28:00 am
Hi,

Here you see a testboard of Hydrocars with his LED Lasers for testing a photoninjection system for ionizationproces

br
Steve
Hello Stevie
What is the effect of the laser on the hho ?
Thank you
Najman

Hi Najman,

Please read following link. I explained it mostly there.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,407.0.html

br
Steve

Thank you stevie
you can use the laser pointers they are more powerfule than the leds ,imho

Najman
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 04:59:08 am
Yeah thats what i'm gonna do .

Laser pointer

Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 14:55:03 pm
Hydro,

It seems logic to work on the hydrogen atom, because there are twice a much of them in the gasmix.
The gain is much higher, because hydrogen has only 1 electron. If it looses that electron, it will not be able to hook up to the oxygen atom.
However....this is all theory and not proven.
I also wanna look at the oxygen BOHR model soon.

The frequencys are accoording to the BOHR model of hydrogen:

656.46 nm  = red
486.27 nm  = blue
434.17 nm = blue-violet
410.29 nm = violet

I have these LEDS already in my lab. I am looking for a way how to make a proper setup.

br
steve

ps. found these:

http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/discharge/oxygen.html
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 15:16:48 pm
well,

Stan used clearly LEDS accoording to his photo's and texts
br
steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 15:42:58 pm
More info on the Balmer lines

http://www.ceoptics.com/ccd/ccd_tech_report.html
The most predominate frequency for nebulae is centered at the HII line in chart 2.This is the H-alpha line at 656.32 nm  and is the result of spontaneous photon emission from the ionized hydrogen gas present in the nebula as electrons decay from the 3rd to 2nd energy level.
Also: ionized oxygen at 500.7 and 495.9 nm

More good info on the oxygen Balmer lines:
http://loke.as.arizona.edu/~ckulesa/camp/camp_spectroscopy.html


br
steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 16:37:39 pm
I'm going for the Oxygen , So a 500 nm laser  Stevie ?

What is that 656 wavelenght , some centered frequency that all  the atoms react too ?

I wanna make this simple as possible , will only use 1 laser .
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 17:03:06 pm
Dankie,

It am still looking and reading.
Maybe you can help with googling?
I use words like oxygen, balmer lines, ionization.
Somehow the universe provides the answers..:-)

br
steve


Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 20:22:52 pm
Dankie,

For oxygen i find always 3 frequencys:
ca 500nm
OI oxygen line at 645,6 nm
ca 777nm


br
steve

Ps.

http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/astro101/lectures/lec08.htm

very nice website!
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 21:25:54 pm
More info on IONS.

There are 2 types of IONS (ion = atom that lost electrons)
1. anion (negative charged ion) like the negative charge oxygen ion O2- or the negative hydrogen ion H-
2.kation (positive charged ion) like the hydrogen proton = H+ or like oxygen O2+

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steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2008, 21:55:35 pm
Well, i am talking to myself here.

How do we get those electrons out of the gasmix?
Should we push the ionized gas thru 2 electrodes and hook those up to a lightbulb orso?

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steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2008, 00:27:49 am
Well, i am talking to myself here.


Not true, I was hunting down a link for us that I ran across while working on my HHO project.

Water Structure and Science -  http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/index2.html (http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/index2.html)

tons of info on everything water.

Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2008, 01:51:48 am
Dankie,

For oxygen i find always 3 frequencys:
ca 500nm
OI oxygen line at 645,6 nm
ca 777nm


br
steve

Ps.

http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/astro101/lectures/lec08.htm

very nice website!

Thzx Stevie , i just find this laser wavelenght stuff too boring , it makes my head hurt .

THX you much for this info , i know for a fact that the hydrogen keeps his electron till the very end , the oxygen robs the hydrogen of its electron . I heard Stan say that so many times , i'll always remember his description of this ...
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2008, 02:26:33 am

This covers wavelengths of IR impacts on H20:

http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/vibrat.html


Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2008, 03:51:45 am
of its electon , confused thoughts ...

DOPE!!
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2008, 10:03:09 am
Please stay on topic, my dear members.

br
steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 10, 2008, 01:49:31 am
It still would not hurt to hook up one electrode or partial tube length to one side of a lightbulb and the other
side to a positive voltage source and see if there is a connection, electron or current flow through the lightbulb.
Somewhere there are electrons to remove and a lightbulb test would prove it.
Choosing the proper bulb may take a few test runs to see it light a little or alot.
Thats what I think as I have not proved this, I will try it when I get there.
If the electron is free from the valance how it would be damaged after being charged or ionized
and should be used up.
Bottom line a test would prove it.
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 11, 2008, 17:03:02 pm

A few comments / suggestions :

Reducing the burn rate of HHO by mixing with exhaust gasses, ambient air intake, LED, and electricity. Possibly also PCV gases as well.

Switzerland video 1989.




volume %
25% exhaust recycle
25% outside air
50% H2 and O2 (in the common 66% H2 and 33% O2 output)

Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 11, 2008, 23:53:20 pm

A few comments / suggestions :

Reducing the burn rate of HHO by mixing with exhaust gasses, ambient air intake, LED, and electricity. Possibly also PCV gases as well.

Switzerland video 1989.




volume %
25% exhaust recycle
25% outside air
50% H2 and O2 (in the common 66% H2 and 33% O2 output)



Hi Warj1990,

How did you get these numbers?
Are they from your own experience?

br
steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 13, 2008, 12:30:02 pm



I have used 5 volts ultra violet diodes direct in a hydrogen cell without any noticeable changes in gas production.

It only looks nicer, but i did not give any effect.. and F.... i bought 50 pcs. of them..  :-\

But i did not pulse the diodes.. maybe i should if someone can learn me to make a pulse circuit for the diodes?
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 10:45:31 am
Hi,

I found a new weblink and picture that explains lots of the photon ionizing system!

http://www.gasmonitors.co.kr/techapp/pidtrain.htm

Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 12:15:16 pm
Nice find Stevie!

..The GAS passes a UV lamp and becomes electrically charged.. (ionized) positive charged?..
 
Air Ionizer uses somtimes a UV lamp : http://www.heavenfresh.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/104

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser

This one looks a bit like stanley meyers air gas prosessor   :D : http://images.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://www.heavenfresh.com/catalog/images/Ionic_Air_Purifier_XJ-201.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.heavenfresh.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/31&usg=__SQ1Ebfh24qPeVvKL3NmRS6fNnsg=&h=300&w=300&sz=10&hl=no&start=15&um=1&tbnid=F3U7e4eMDuykbM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dair%2Bionizer%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dno%26rlz%3D1T4GGLJ_noNO267NO267%26sa%3DN

Water ionizer :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_ionizer

http://images.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://hiddencures.com/pics/SmallIonizerPic.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hiddencures.com/&usg=__r_pIRUWCFq07YDR6ldM5xcIsRE0=&h=771&w=673&sz=26&hl=no&start=1&um=1&tbnid=LwBPzGkoqT2h2M:&tbnh=142&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwater%2Bionizer%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dno%26rlz%3D1T4GGLJ_noNO267NO267%26sa%3DN

Is it the negative or positive ionizing Stan used?..

Best regards
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 17:04:49 pm
This is from the "Research Paper on Ravi’s Water Fuel cell Replication"

"Insertion of a laser into the resonance cavity
In Stanley Myers’ research papers, is the insertion of a laser into the cavity, injecting certain light frequencies into the cavity to assist in the fracturing process. This would be done by using a cell with cavity placements for high frequency light-emitting diodes in the area of 395 nm wave length. This cell would be conditioned, prepared and coils wound to suit. After the conditioning process the cell would be finally tested with light-emitting diodes."

I find this 395 nm wave lenght interesting.  That the black light used in forensics
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 17:37:52 pm
Ravi papers are 100%  blasphemy  . That guy caused way to much damage , nobody talks aout him anymore because nobdy could ever replicate his cell .

People have concluded that he was disinfo .
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 17:57:46 pm
This I quote,

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance ---- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."       ------ HERBERT SPENCER --------
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 20:15:59 pm
You should ask around , many people have tried replicating his cell . As you may have noticed , nobody is talking about ravi anymore .

I think he had a post @ overunity.com

Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 22:08:40 pm
LightBulb here's the pdf on Ravi

PDF: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Ravi%20Cell.pdf
 
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 22:23:09 pm
He does have a pitcure of Stevie's Alternator  on page 21
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2008, 23:02:53 pm
He does have a pitcure of Stevie's Alternator  on page 21


Yes, they did and they just forgot to mention my forum at the bottum of the document.
They also didnt ask if it was oke to publish that picture.
No respect there on panacea university... >:(

steve
Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 21, 2008, 03:11:17 am
This is from the "Research Paper on Ravi’s Water Fuel cell Replication"

"Insertion of a laser into the resonance cavity
In Stanley Myers’ research papers, is the insertion of a laser into the cavity, injecting certain light frequencies into the cavity to assist in the fracturing process. This would be done by using a cell with cavity placements for high frequency light-emitting diodes in the area of 395 nm wave length. This cell would be conditioned, prepared and coils wound to suit. After the conditioning process the cell would be finally tested with light-emitting diodes."

I find this 395 nm wave lenght interesting.  That the black light used in forensics

You know i find this interesting Because 395 Nanometers is Exactly what i use inside my fuel cell. I Have also found that it Boostes the gas output by 3 or more times. Of course As mentioned it does not work well with an un-conditioned cell.

I plan on showing this Blacklight in some of my new videos as well, its odd you found this in ravi's Pdf.. Isn't that the same pdf where they're showing/ or tried to show Stevies Alternator Setup?

So Lightbulb , had any intention of telling us about this 395 nm lol ? It seems important ...



Title: Re: Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 21, 2008, 05:45:34 am
This is from the "Research Paper on Ravi’s Water Fuel cell Replication"

"Insertion of a laser into the resonance cavity
In Stanley Myers’ research papers, is the insertion of a laser into the cavity, injecting certain light frequencies into the cavity to assist in the fracturing process. This would be done by using a cell with cavity placements for high frequency light-emitting diodes in the area of 395 nm wave length. This cell would be conditioned, prepared and coils wound to suit. After the conditioning process the cell would be finally tested with light-emitting diodes."

I find this 395 nm wave lenght interesting.  That the black light used in forensics

You know i find this interesting Because 395 Nanometers is Exactly what i use inside my fuel cell. I Have also found that it Boostes the gas output by 3 or more times. Of course As mentioned it does not work well with an un-conditioned cell.

I plan on showing this Blacklight in some of my new videos as well, its odd you found this in ravi's Pdf.. Isn't that the same pdf where they're showing/ or tried to show Stevies Alternator Setup?

Brian,

I was using a blacklight awhile back, 2 weeks, and didn't see a significant increase in production. I was using a water bath setup with submerged cells
blacklight was constant not pulsed thru it's own driver. I would be interested in your findings and possibly sharing info.