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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Cracked!!!!! => Topic started by: Steve on June 26, 2008, 21:14:50 pm

Title: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2008, 21:14:50 pm
Hi,

This is the place for your replications of JNL!

br
Steve ;)
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 00:40:54 am
got anymore of that crack left? HAHA, j/k buddie
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 01:38:10 am
got anymore of that crack left? HAHA, j/k buddie

wooo ha!!!
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 09:29:33 am
Hydrotractor,

I expect from YOU the first setup.... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

sincerely yours
Steve
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 16:14:16 pm
I am starting to make a replication of the JNL setup.
I have the trafo, timer chips, and YES, i made a fully insulated innertube cell.

I had contact with JNL about this insulation and he mailed me that indead the innertube is FULLY insulated. Inside and outside!
Nothing touches water. (no leaks!)
I ran a capacitance test and my LCR meter showd me 1nF  with tapwater.
(Didnt had destilled in my lab/garage...but soon that problem will be solved as well)

I will publishe pics soon!

br
Steve
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 16:49:39 pm
I insulated my inner tube using a finger from a latex glove. didn't work too well.

Day one it measure 3.2nf

Day 2 measured 24.3nf,

I was only able to bring the Voltage up to 560Volts, then the latex started to leak, I could see tini sparks from the rubber to the water and a little stream of bubbles forming there.

I'm now insulating it with polyurethane.
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 16:56:51 pm
I tried latex too for insulation of the inertube. Had same results as you watercellguy. The high voltage buildup ripped tiny holes in the latex.
What type of plastic is JNL using for insulation?
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 19:16:56 pm
thin plastic adhesive tape.
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 19:23:53 pm
A film based adhesive tape will work for a short period of time until the water begins to cause delamination at the edges.  This method will work for short term experiments, but will not hold up under long term exposure.

Wireguy
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 23:33:59 pm
Does anyone  have any links or references to how far out the "skin effect"  goes vs voltage applied, ie... how thick can the insulator be for a given voltage?

I know I can find dielectric properties of different materials, but how far out the "skin effect" reaches seems somewhat mysterious to me.

Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 28, 2008, 00:22:54 am
I think the insulator needs to the glued  to the cathode just like JNL.

My test cell is 3/4 in diameter by 3" long, when It was insulated using a finger from a latex glove, outside water, the latex was nice and snug against the tube, but when in water, the latex would get loose and kind of expanded and be almost toucing the outer tube.

Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 28, 2008, 00:45:52 am
ya'll are actin fuckin crazy with the tape and googly-rubber glove talk.
Water tight  the top and bottom of the inner tube and letting nature build its own non-conductive coating over the outside of the tube like it already does.

Or just use plates and insulate the ends.
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 28, 2008, 03:48:11 am
I have read that 3M makes a tape which can be molded very well and is for high voltages. Called 3M grey rubber self bonding silicone HV tape I believe...






"....Meyers work is everywhere, it's all around us and his technology is really not even his but belongs to many people, which devices are used for completly unrelated and opposite reasons as hydrogen production......"
                                                                                                                                                        -HMS-776
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 28, 2008, 10:29:33 am
Hi,

I have insulated my tube with heat shrinkable polymer and its strong and 100% waterproof.
Important is to use a NON POLAR  material.

br
Steve
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2008, 05:57:18 am
Hi guys, I'm not  real smart about this but have a suggestion.
Sometimes wireing is coated with varnish so how about some marine varnish.
Sounds simple, did someone try.
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2008, 10:04:47 am
Hi,

I made an extra topic for my JL replication to keep it all together for myself.
If you want the same, just ask..... 8) or make one your selfs

br
Steve
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2008, 13:05:11 pm
This ia an abstract from one of  Meyer patents
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2008, 01:41:12 am
This company has a dielectric powder coat good for 3500V/mil http://e-fab.com/dielectric-coating.htm (http://e-fab.com/dielectric-coating.htm)

Another option might be Kapton polyimide insulation tubing good for 7000V/mil available at http://www.smallparts.com/ (http://www.smallparts.com/)

These might end up a little pricey though.

I think the end solution is going to end up being fairly cheap.

If the electrodes end up being fully insulated, and I believe they will, nearly any conductive material can be used.
Damn, I better quit smashing those beer cans, they may be potential electrodes!!! ;D

@h2opower, thanks for the link, but how far out the voltage potential can "reach out" from the conductor vs voltage applied with no current flow is something I still have not found yet.  I think I'm not using the correct search term while looking.

Mikemongo 
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2008, 16:30:28 pm
Hi all !

First, I post a few days ago and this message had been goodly understood. Many thanks and apologie me for my pathetic post. I think it had deserved the WFC community rather than hurt it.

Second, I thaught yesterday on thing ... Does someone well minded with aluminum oxyde (Al2O3) ?
It has a several dielectric property.
And what about copper (Cu) has innertube ?

All of this is really cheap.

The question is for someone who deal with classic electrolysis, so I can mix my copper, covered by aluminum oxyde : the thin of the material is highly calculable !!!

Am I dreaming or is it realistic ?

See ya.
Daffy !

p.s. : Aluminum oxyde <=> 10^18 Ohms/mm .... dielectric constant : 10 ... Regerate himself and quasi understructable !
         Aluminum oxyde <=> 60 000 tons by year now.
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2008, 16:41:31 pm
I was inspired by Jln’s replication so I wrapped the inner tube in a sheet of polythane (the kind that is used to wrap fish and that is oven friendly) and secured it with a heat shrink tubing.

I connected a coil driver to a  MOT and connected the secondary to the cell with a diode. The lead with the diode is the positive terminal.

I immediately noticed small bubbles with intermittent large bubbles. This is the first time I have gotten a reaction from high voltage.

So I think the secrete ingredient is not so much electronics but a good water capacitor.

Conditioning the tubes will take forever. We need something better than that.

I am looking for ideas on how to make a very good water capacitor.
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2008, 17:02:16 pm
agreed yaro, so don't forgot my post, just coincidiously previous your !
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2008, 22:00:39 pm
Duffy,

Do you have a source for the Alu oxide you want to use? I found a floor finish called TREK PLUS that has alu oxide in it.
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2008, 23:42:24 pm
Re Hi yaro,
         Do you have a source for the Alu oxide you want to use? I found a floor finish called TREK PLUS that has alu oxide in it.
No, not at all. I haven't got any source. Be carrefull, I don't want material with Al in, but copper (2 mm/thin) with Al2O3 around (1 mm/thin).
I just found dudes in my region : astronomers need to deal with Al on glass cause of their experiments. I'll join them this week.
A physician scientist told me that "Philips" (near my place) were able to put Al on Cu but it's a production secret.
He concluded by the fact that we even can not vapor Al on the Cu tube cause of high vaporisation temperature of Al, Cu could cast ...
And I'm sure that a millimeter of Al2O3 will simply stop all current in the cell which is what I want of the cell : construct a good "capacitor array" !

Best regards.
Daff
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2008, 17:43:42 pm
Hi all,

I am having trouble with the following part of the JN and Stan Meyer schematics,
The thing is how to pulse a transformer.
We all see the FET pulsing one of the 2 coils of the trafo.
What ever i try, the maximum frequency acceptable for the trafo is 5khz...
At that part , the signal is getting worse and worse.
I wanna go up to 300khz......
I have an oscillator that can reach this frequency
I have a FET that do the job.
BUT my toroid trafo is keeping me from getting there. I need HV at 300khz! :o :o :o :-\ :-\ :-\
All  suggestions are appriciated!

br
Steve
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2008, 18:33:34 pm
maybe the core material of the toroid cannot operate past a certain point because of the rise and fall time in between pulse is kinda like staying in a magnetised or saturated  state past  5khz   is it an iron core you might want to go to a laminated style

their is a good book called transformer and inductor design handbook  you can buy it of amazon. books for 50 bucks used 
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2008, 22:05:13 pm
Hi all,

I am having trouble with the following part of the JN and Stan Meyer schematics,
The thing is how to pulse a transformer.
We all see the FET pulsing one of the 2 coils of the trafo.
What ever i try, the maximum frequency acceptable for the trafo is 5khz...
At that part , the signal is getting worse and worse.
I wanna go up to 300khz......
I have an oscillator that can reach this frequency
I have a FET that do the job.
BUT my toroid trafo is keeping me from getting there. I need HV at 300khz! :o :o :o :-\ :-\ :-\
All  suggestions are appriciated!

br
Steve


In the drawing of the insulated tubes that hydrogenmask posted it shows a resistor to ground(or maybe the cathode tube).  The transformer secondary is going to need at a little current flow to have a pulsed output or else it will "saturate"(I think).  It may be the bifilar transformer is providing a capacitve load on the secondary of the step up transformer. 

You could start trying different values of resistors loading the secondary of the transformer(after the diode) and see what happens to the pulse shape of the output.  I would start with 100Kohm and see what happens. You could try a potentiometer, but I think it would probably arc at the potentials we want.

Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 12, 2008, 22:05:49 pm
I have also examined the D14.pdf, Dave included pictures of the outer tubes and how they are wired. However, he was very careful not to show any pictures of the inner tubes.

I think the information we need to replicate Myers's cell is being withheld.

Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2009, 16:24:30 pm
Hi all,

I am having trouble with the following part of the JN and Stan Meyer schematics,
The thing is how to pulse a transformer.
We all see the FET pulsing one of the 2 coils of the trafo.
What ever i try, the maximum frequency acceptable for the trafo is 5khz...
At that part , the signal is getting worse and worse.
I wanna go up to 300khz......
I have an oscillator that can reach this frequency
I have a FET that do the job.
BUT my toroid trafo is keeping me from getting there. I need HV at 300khz! :o :o :o :-\ :-\ :-\
All  suggestions are appriciated!

br
Steve


You most likely have too much inductance in the primary.  At 300khz the high inductance of your coil will not allow it to build up a field. Reduce the number of turns in the primary and you should be able to use a higher frequency.    At 300Khz,  my guess is that you will need only about 10 turns to get an inductance value of about  100uh.    Most SMPS's  that operate in that frequency range use inductance values from around 10uf to 100uf depending upon the duty cycle.       

Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2009, 18:00:24 pm
stan has a patent called electrical pulse generator.. patent 4,613,739  i have not been able to find this one online anyone have luck finding it?
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2009, 18:27:31 pm
Document Type and Number:United States Patent 4613739
Inventors:Richards, Paul L. (St. Joseph Township, Berrien County, MI)
Abstract:A microwave oven control utilizing a microcomputer. The control permits changing or adding to previously inputted parameters without requiring the cancellation of the entire program and without affecting the progression of other cycles of the program. In the illustrated embodiment, the control provides for facilitated initial input and changing of parameters, such as time, temperature, power; and the like, relative to different commands or functions inputted by suitable touch pads provided in a control panel for actuation by the user.

Outlaw,
This is filed in the US Patent Office under that #
Do you know what country it's filed in?
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2009, 18:45:01 pm
Posted in [Stan Meyer documents and pictures] Re: Please put here all your documents and pictures of Stan Meyer
U.S. Patent # 4,613,779
Title: Re: JNL replications
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2009, 21:27:07 pm
sorry i put the wrong number its 4,613,779  i found it on google patent search.. check it out its pretty interesting.