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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2007, 17:03:11 pm »
no the fet doesn't get hot. the diodes could run a little cooler though, with this alternator i get the best results at 1.7 amps, with my last alternator the best results was around one amp, but i tore the copper outta that alternator, dangit.

ok guy's the electronic alternator is here:)

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2007, 17:44:40 pm »
i think this was the wave i was getting in atop my square waves?

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_10/8.html

yes thats it!!!!! it is 3 phase harmonics!!!

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2007, 20:22:07 pm »
So, finally my test with your setup Hydrocarsmandude

I got the same signals, and thats positive
I am sorry to say that gas output was not better or worse. The positive side is that with my current 3 tubes setup any improvement is difficult to see by eye.
The gas was good.
I was reading something about the 3 phase resonance stuff and one showed me a pic of a sinus going thru the signal. I found that one as well. But that was by 5 amps.
But he. Your tubes are differend then my tubes. I hope by the way to finish the new wfc nex weekend. Still waiting for the stupid acrylaat clue...

Ok, now the pics.

Its true that you have to focus on a specific pic, but if you are looking at the scope, you see the changing of peaks. The 3 phase peaks.

The second picture shows the standard bumps of a rectified 3 phase AC signal.
The first picture shows in detail why you see on the second picture the ground, because the bumps are now buildup out of pulsed squarewaves.

Hopes this info helps you all, my fellow waterplaying friends...:-)
« Last Edit: December 01, 2007, 20:32:26 pm by stevie1001 »

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2007, 13:17:39 pm »
So, finally my test with your setup Hydrocarsmandude

I got the same signals, and thats positive
I am sorry to say that gas output was not better or worse. The positive side is that with my current 3 tubes setup any improvement is difficult to see by eye.

Guys

I think you're on to something!
It made me think about something I read in one of George Wiseman's books recently.
I do not have his book with me right now so I am only giving the outline of the story.
In short, George wrote about the different qualities of gas.
He wrote about a very high quality gas that he has experienced only a few times in his life
 and could not yet replicate this type of gas on demand. This type of hydrogen gas appears to be much more powerful than Browns gas!
However, he knows this quality of gas does exist because at the time they were able to run an large engine on a small electrolyzer alone. In short, for the engine to run on the small quantities of gas being generated at the time,
 this type of hydroxy gas had to be more than 64x as powerful as "normal" hydrogen.
Unfortunately they couldnot regenerate the exact condition aftwerwards. All ke knows is that they were running the
electrolyzer (a small series cell) from the alternator.
George speculated that the frequency of the alternator could have resonated with the water / metal or setup as a whole.....

Anyway, is just sounds as if this is related to your own discoveries.
What can we learn about about George's experience?
It is not necessary the amount of gas being generated that matters, but it is the QUALITY of the gas that matters!!

In other words, Stevie, by using harmonics you might be generating a much more powerful gas than usually but the amount of gas
 will appear to be the same.
The ONLY way you can know is to actually connect your setup to an engine and try and run it even though
you would think that the amount of gas would be way too little. You might be just as surprised as George were at the time!!!

Let us know what happens.....!!

Wouter
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 14:37:02 pm »
its correct about the harmonics, Hydrocar and me are looking at.
The spikes, the harmonics, the volts and amps are the key with the alternator.
The fact that the alternator is powering it self is also very nice.
You only need kinetic energy for turning the alternator.
I found out with my Variac that the electromotor doesnt need much to turn the alternator.

Now we know what kind of signal we are looking for, we can go replicate it with transformers and electronics.

We hope to publish more about this, soon.

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2007, 01:31:02 am »
Thanks Hydro,

From the diagram, if I understand correctly, there are primary motor coupled with secondary motor (car alternator). You used Y-configuration at alternator side to output more voltage to cell. Previously, I did some experiment with RV (Rotor Verter) using 3 phase motors previously. I manage to turn 3 HP motor using DC inverter and spun nearly 10,000 rpm (without load) with just around 12 watt of input power.

3 phase motor is more efficient compared to car alternator but not sure if the high voltage output from 3 phase motor can be used for this cell. If time permits, I will try with 3 phase motor and report the results.

Hi Kumaran,


Finally i have found the circuit and what every one wants to focus on, okay took me a while, okay i can say to based on what Kumaran stated the RV ( i said this earler) is the most efficient way to spin this, not only this we have a FREQ driven inverter with an on board battery which can charge from the BEMF, so we can try this RV motor using Hydro/Steves circuit and Freq drive the RV motor/ALT to get the efficiency up.

Okay back to the lab for me.




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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2007, 04:41:21 am »
Yes, somebody got to try out RV for electrolysis. I wish I could have more time to test different circuits.

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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2007, 06:08:02 am »
here is the circuit i am using.

stevie,,,, i hope you caught the flaw in the circuit i give you today? oops

Hi Hydro,

I am still getting all the materials together to build.
I just had a question about the alterator hooked up to the circuit.

You show just a single circuit hooked up to the alternator and then to the cell, have you tried with the doubler circuit? and are you not using the chokes now?

I was also thinking you could try stepping up the voltage after the alternator to see if it provides better output.  A simple circuit can step up the voltage from 12V to 10,000V if needed.  High voltage has strange effects on water.

Regards,

Shodan

BTW great job with the alternator results.