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Re: Stan used AMPS, big time!
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2009, 14:55:26 pm »
What ever method used, we need to be able to produce Hydrogen efficiently...
I agree, those working on VIC, keep at it, you may uncuver something that many of US missed.
I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or  charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.

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Re: Stan used AMPS, big time!
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2009, 16:08:01 pm »
[I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or  charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.

Alan,

I no longer have that setup toguether. When I tested, I used 2 HV tv coils as my HV source, so I know I was testing with about 50KV.  when I applied the 50KV to 100% insulated plates, I could see the water move up the plates... similar to what you see in the water bridge video on youtube.

I then added non insulated electrodes and applied several pulsing voltages and freq, to see if water would break easier. didn't observe any thing.
I also used some Red Lazers, LEDs... no luck.

But this does not say that it will not work.... just that I could not make it work, maybe I needed to do something else. 

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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2009, 16:48:25 pm »
[I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or  charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.

Alan,

I no longer have that setup toguether. When I tested, I used 2 HV tv coils as my HV source, so I know I was testing with about 50KV.  when I applied the 50KV to 100% insulated plates, I could see the water move up the plates... similar to what you see in the water bridge video on youtube.

I then added non insulated electrodes and applied several pulsing voltages and freq, to see if water would break easier. didn't observe any thing.
I also used some Red Lazers, LEDs... no luck.

But this does not say that it will not work.... just that I could not make it work, maybe I needed to do something else. 


You mean you had a 50kv voltage *difference* across the water and it did nothing .

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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2009, 16:57:48 pm »
You mean you had a 50kv voltage *difference* across the water and it did nothing .

That is 100% correct. there was a 50KV voltage field across water (100% insulated electrodes) and nothing.

now there are someguys also testing with insulated electrodes on the overunity forum, but they using Varnish as the insulator, I have also tested this, and yes you can bring your voltage higher, but any bobbles you see are not created by voltage potential, but by current leaks into the water, so it is just electrolysis, and a very inefficient one.

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Re: Stan used AMPS, big time!
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2009, 17:35:42 pm »
electrojolt,
was the 50 kv  dc pulsed in a step up pulse? when dankie say's "difference" this difference he speaks of is not used in conventional electric that has oscillating difference.. its difference being produced on a atomic level.  caused by electron clustering that stan speaks of..

@stevie
i like the patent you brought to my attention, i just finished reading it.. from what i gather i feel stan doesnt go into detail to much with the electric in figures but it points out all the most important factors of the system.

out of the patent:
application of patent "is for a combustion system having utility (the state or quality of being useful) in a mechanical drive system"
stan is taking a overlooked perspective and is trying to show it.. stop thinking electric can only work in closed loop with electric.. stans system works in multiple closed loop Energy transfers.. he has thought of them all.. the closed loop the motors mechanical drive  shares with power production in the alternator is considered feedback.

" the hydrogen atoms are diassociated from the water molecule by the application of non regulated, non filtered, low power, direct current voltage electrical potential" i would say  provided by 3phase dc rectifided alternator.. the 120 out phases imitate pure dc.

it is controled by the following factors,
"varying voltage, varying pulse rate, varying spaces between plates, switching the number of plates, and plate configuration"


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Re: Stan used AMPS, big time!
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2009, 17:51:00 pm »
electrojolt,
was the 50 kv  dc pulsed in a step up pulse? when dankie say's "difference" this difference he speaks of is not used in conventional electric that has oscillating difference.. its difference being produced on a atomic level.  caused by electron clustering that stan speaks of..


The 50Kv was DC pulsed, since the electrodes where 100% insulated, I had a 100% HV capacitor, so it would take some time to charge, so there was a step charge.

Now when you talk about atomic level, that is way over my head.... maybe that is why it didn't work. Since I don't understand what Stan means by his jargon.


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Re: Stan used AMPS, big time!
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2009, 18:03:43 pm »
Hi,



I believe in low amp and are working on it now whatever the patents says.

There is endless many  things we can try...... so keep it up


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Re: Stan used AMPS, big time!
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2009, 19:05:33 pm »
what i mean by on the atomic level is the potentials are present do to the imbalance of charge in the chokes.. that imbalance is a electron imbalance from the displacement of them out of positive choke. you can have volts without that in ac current but its being produced by the oscilation of electrons.. not by displacement.   there somthin not yet understood with the reasons why insulated plates under high voltage doesnt work.. the stainless is not is insulated but it has properties to it that help restrict amp flow (silicon) but allow the vacuum and push electrical forces to be in the water.. maybe?? you really got to think of if it were that simple wouldnt stan of done it that way? in stephen meyers radio session he starts to talk about the stainless and somthing to do with the structure within the stainless and how the process is cold rolled to make the material..i need to listen to it again..


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