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« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2009, 22:14:54 pm »
Lol that was part of the joke . My compliment was adress to him

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« Reply #89 on: May 22, 2009, 23:11:00 pm »
Hi Radiant,

So, if i understand you correctly, you expect much more gas production from a wfc if we are gonna use that spark gap in combi with a nice coil, because of the Bemf effects from it.

I attached a very bad drawing, but you get the point.
Have i understand you right?

The other question i had, is the power consumtion you had. So, on the vid with the motor. With and without spark. Did the sparking cost more power?


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« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2009, 05:35:50 am »
@Steve
Possibly...
I believe Dingel is doing something very similar to Meyer's early stuff. If not exactly the same (battery is a type of capacitor)
In one patent (his earliest US 4798661) it is pictured with a variable spaced spark gap. I think this is the need to for chokes to limit amp draw durring the arcing.
Check this out
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/Jdub6d9/Dingel-Plan01.jpg)

Now even though the wires are wound the same direction...coming from up and over makes the current flow create opposite fields...much like Meyer. I'm gonna try a very large bifilar coil from my bedini motor and see if I can get the "event" with lower amps.

I wasn't able to make a video today cuz I can't find the batteries or charger to my camera....hopefully I'll find em soon and get a video.

As for the arc...it takes up less amperage compared to a direct contact (Short condition). That holds true for the welder too...it draws 30-40 amps when I accidentally melt the contacts together (direct short), but, when the arc is operating I see 10-12 amps @38-40v



@All
Everything is inter-connected...the key connector is pulsed DC. The Back EMF spike is a very interesting thing indeed. Once you get it you will see the common technology in EVERYTHING OU!!

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« Reply #91 on: May 23, 2009, 10:50:30 am »
Radiant,

Thanks for sharing the power consumtion details. They are very helpfull!
I will make a sertup here , with help of my 2 MOT's.

On the drawing you drawed a capacitor, but that is just to show its working. Not a real one, i ll guess.

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« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2009, 12:40:53 pm »
Negative resistance and OU using carbon arc sparkplug, easy setup:
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/SparkGapExp/SparkGapExp.htm
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/MultiSparkGap/MultiSparkGapExp.htm

Now what would happen if this small spark is  'amplified' similar to this video:

combining these two circuits can give surprising results using plasma spark over a carbon gap.
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« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2009, 13:14:03 pm »
keywords: asymmetrical back EMF
patent is clearly written by bearden

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« Reply #94 on: June 19, 2009, 02:12:25 am »
ok we know stan possibly used multiple frequencys going to the water fuel cell... would it be possible that he was using 2 freq.. one freq on the pos being analog  (being the duty cycle as well) and one on the negative in the fuel cell being digital and on the same duty cycle... he would name this a sequential mode since it was a set of timed preset variables of voltage application to the water molecule's..............  a amplitude analog pulse being produced on the positive plate while on the negative it is being gated on a 50 percent duty cycle (the analog) as well as a frequency in the 10 khz or more range,,,  your analog positive would probly flux from 60hz- 250hz witha  alternator and you could control the digital by gating its negative choke to earth ground on the correct freq and matching analog gate.   woud that not produce a amplifying signal of voltage to the water moecules in a unipolar sequence???  and this sequence would allow curennt flow but only at the min .001ma??? think of how the extreme change in magnitude/ amplitude itself can represent a  current of flow... the only difference in  amplitude and current is the direction of amplitude is 90 degrees out .  think on that one

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« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2009, 10:51:16 am »
written by Thane Heins on ou.com regarding his peripeteia and why the bemf is delayed.
the vic with xformer may be seen as a motor, the pulsing primary behaving similar to passing magnets.

ponder on this:

1)
THE BACK EMF INDUCED COUNTER-MAGNETIC FIELD PRODUCTION, TIMING AND STRENGTH ARE ALL A FUNCTION OF THE CURRENT FLOWING IN THE COIL.

2)
THE CURRENT FLOWING IN THE COIL IS A FUNCTION OF THE COIL IMPEDENCE
(AC RESISTANCE OR INDUCTIVE REACTANCE + DC RESISTANCE).

3)
THE COIL IMPEDENCE IS A FUNCTION OF THE FREQUENCY OR RATE OF MAGNET APPROACH.

4)
AS LONG AS THE MAGNET IS APPROACHING THE COIL ABOVE THE THRESHOLD FREQUENCY - COIL IMPEDENCE WILL NOT ALLOW THE COIL TO PRODUCE A MAGNETIC FIELD BECAUSE CURRENT CANNOT FLOW IN THE COIL.

5)
CURRENT CAN ONLY FLOW WHEN THE AC RESISTANCE DROPS TO ZERO.

6)
THE AC RESISTANCE DROPS TO ZERO WHEN THE MAGNET IS NEITHER APPROACHING NOR RECEDING FROM THE COIL OR TDC (TOP DEAD CENTRE).

7)
AT TDC (OR THEREABOUTS) CURRENT FLOWS AND PRODUCES THE DELAYED MAGNETIC FIELD WHEN THE COIL INDUCED AND CAPACITIVELY STORED VOLTAGE IS MAXIMUM.

THE COIL'S CORE HYSTERESIS CURVE MAY PLAY A ROLE IN DELAYING THE HV COIL'S INDUCED MAGNETIC FIELD UNTIL THE RIGHT MOMENT AS WELL. THE DELAYED MAGNETIC FIELD MAY ALSO PLAY A ROLE IN REDUCING THE CORE DRAG (COGGING TORQUE) ON THE ROTOR - SO THE MOTOR MAY DO LESS WORK BECAUSE THE DISCHARGING HV VOLTAGE TURNS THE GENERATOR COIL INTO A MOTOR COIL FOR A BRIEF INSTANT AND THE PRIME MOVER MAY SEE LESS CORE DRAG. - CREDIT TO HOPTOAD WHOEVER THE F HE IS?

8)
AT OR AROUND TDC A "PERFECT STORM" IS CREATED WHERE COIL IMPEDENCE IS MINIMUM (ONLY DC RESISTANCE OF THE COIL) - COIL CURRENT IS MAXIMUM - AND A DELAYED MAGNETIC FIELD IS PRODUCED WHICH PUSHES AWAY THE NOW RECEDING MAGNET AND ATTRACTS THE NEXT OPPOSITE POLE MAGNET ONE THE ROTOR.

9)
I DOUBT IT IS THE "ONLY" HOLY GRAIL BUT I AM CERTAINLY WILLING TO BET IT IS THE FIRST SCIENTIFICALLY VALID EXPLANATION - THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE ACCEPTED BECAUSE IF LOGIC RATHER THAN EMOTION IS ALLOWED TO DICTATE - THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS 100% VALID AND ALREADY FULLY KNOW AND UNDERSTOOD.
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