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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2009, 16:33:32 pm »
Lets say it was possible to *charge* a water capacitor without any electrons flowing through , what if we could *tickle the state space* or *pump* that water and lets its own charge break itself in a unipolar way , with the diode in the circuit .

This seems to be a bit similar to avramenko
can you repost the avramenko pdf? you posted it before on energeticforum

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Dielectric property of water opposes amp leakage (Re) while another property of water takes-on
an "Electrical Charge".

can't remember if meyer explained what this property is.

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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2009, 16:35:26 pm »
hahah i think he means rubber band effect as is in the stretching and pulling of the water molecule over and over again.
perhaps :)
it's an option

since the voltage waves travel inside the wfc wave guide, standing waves are a possibility. I connected the dot's, perhaps to the wrong ones

Its not like Kinesis says it is 4 sure , obviously there is something missing here and theres all this theoretical physics wich seems to point in the same direction .

In this situation , with this specific tech from Meyers , it is indeed a 0 voltage field , I am very intrigued by this .

This is not Bob Boyce or Puharich or w/e , he really means what he says .

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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2009, 16:37:55 pm »
Lets say it was possible to *charge* a water capacitor without any electrons flowing through , what if we could *tickle the state space* or *pump* that water and lets its own charge break itself in a unipolar way , with the diode in the circuit .

This seems to be a bit similar to avramenko
can you repost the avramenko pdf? you posted it before on energeticforum

7-9
Dielectric property of water opposes amp leakage (Re) while another property of water takes-on
an "Electrical Charge".

can't remember if meyer explained what this property is.

Too lazy , plz search for it , I am banned .

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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2009, 16:55:35 pm »
by dankie
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http://www.cazv.cz/2003/2002/tech1_02/Strebkov.pdf

After Studying Stans work , i concluded that it it revolutionnary technology with many groundbreaking new electromagnetic concepts fused together in a specatular human engineering achievement . I concluded this after a result of elimination . It is a mix of Avrakenko's single wire reactance transmission , and a mix of "scalar net zero fields"

This is indeed a net zero field that is meant here , knowing this , and going by the apparent lenght of the injector , i'd say this "scalar possibility" seems very plausible

Knowing this , If the potential field (and here I mean the vector potential as it vibrates longitudinally) plays an important role in Meyer technology, then I think it works more as a "solvent" of the covalent bonding, weakening it. How? As the vector potential changes, so does the quantum phase of an electron, that much is known fact in physics (it's a variation of the Aharanov-Bohm effect). So the covalent electrons would be affected at their most fundamental level, which may change their relation to the hydrogen and oxygen nuclei enough to weaken then bonding. That last part is just my speculation.

Its interresting to see tho , what Hutshison managed to do with solid metal and his tesla coil , he litterally made jelly out of solide metal , so why cant we "make jelly out of water" ... make it even more liduid that liduid state lol ....

Once loosened, you then also need an actual DC electric field to pull the water molecule apart ( electrical polarization process). It would then pull apart easier than without the "solvent" action of the potential field. So the stainless steel tubes are still necessary and must be in contact with the water. The tubes would function as a longitudinal vector potential antenna on top of providing the DC field/current to tug on the water molecule. Wouldnt a net zero field be the same as our initial condition ?

Let's say you hooked up the WFC as indicated. The voltage on both sides of the cell would then be equal since that is the nature of a single-wire transmission line. Therefore no voltage difference exists across the water gap, and no electric field, and thus no electron current either. However, the voltage, despite being equal across the gap, still changes over time due to the whole thing being powered by a tesla coil. Therefore the water would be exposed to a gradient-free time-varying scalar potential as I wrote in the post above. Perhaps this alone will not split the water. That's why Avramenko in that article said there was only a cold plasma, and no gas-generation. But -- if on top of this field, you added a small DC field (say from a 12 Volt supply), then you would be exerting a polarizing stress onto the water molecule that is already being exposed to this exotic Avramenko energy. That is what occurs in the Meyer VIC circuit if you hook up the bifilar coil with both coils in phase.

That's why I suspected the two same high voltages were being applied to inner and outer tubes of the WFC so that without a voltage gradient between the two (except the one maintained by the blocking diode) there is no additional current flow through the water from the high voltage and thus water conductivity from impurities wasn't a factor.

You could have a gradient-free scalar potential field that oscillates over time. What kind of work does this produce? Well, the Lorentz gauge shows that divergence of the vector potential is proportional to the time rate of change of scalar potential. Further, divergence of the vector potential is also proportional to charge density. Therefore if you have an oscillating voltage field, gradient-free, you would have oscillating charge density. This means the water molecule, being a dipole, would shrink and expand when exposed to such a field. The field would shrink and expand the electron shells too, perhaps switching off that covalent bonding electron pair and allowing the DC field maintained by the blocking diode to easily pull apart the water molecule.

[For those of you unfamiliar with those terms, scalar potential is basically the 'voltage' field from which an electric field arises when there is a gradient in it, while vector potential, aka "A-vec", is the 'flux' field from which magnetism arises when there is circulation in it].


If you notice in this montage from chapter 7/8 , Stan mentions a "non-voltage shift" , the "amp-inhibiting coil" is indeede balancing this to perfection so we end up with "total and perfect annihilation" of the two opposing waves


"Snapping Action" (Rubberbanding effect)

Clipped Unipolar Pulse Train (780C) is used to encourage further increase
in atomic dwell-time capable of raising Atomic Energy Level (AEI) of the Water Atoms to even a higher
energy-state
before Snapping-Action occurs
when Unipolar Pulse Wave (Upw) returns to ground state
(Vo) after voltage propagation (Vpa/Vpb). Of course, the repetition-rate of."Atomic SnappingAction"
(Asa) (the number of Voltage Pulse Fields Vpf occurring per unit of space-time) directly determines the
resultant energy level of Static Electrical Charging Effect (585) of Figure (8-1) since “Particle
Oscillation" is being used as a “Energy Generator" (EGpo),

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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2009, 17:00:14 pm »
by dankie
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http://www.cazv.cz/2003/2002/tech1_02/Strebkov.pdf

After Studying Stans work , i concluded that it it revolutionnary technology with many groundbreaking new electromagnetic concepts fused together in a specatular human engineering achievement . I concluded this after a result of elimination . It is a mix of Avrakenko's single wire reactance transmission , and a mix of "scalar net zero fields"

This is indeed a net zero field that is meant here , knowing this , and going by the apparent lenght of the injector , i'd say this "scalar possibility" seems very plausible

Knowing this , If the potential field (and here I mean the vector potential as it vibrates longitudinally) plays an important role in Meyer technology, then I think it works more as a "solvent" of the covalent bonding, weakening it. How? As the vector potential changes, so does the quantum phase of an electron, that much is known fact in physics (it's a variation of the Aharanov-Bohm effect). So the covalent electrons would be affected at their most fundamental level, which may change their relation to the hydrogen and oxygen nuclei enough to weaken then bonding. That last part is just my speculation.

Its interresting to see tho , what Hutshison managed to do with solid metal and his tesla coil , he litterally made jelly out of solide metal , so why cant we "make jelly out of water" ... make it even more liduid that liduid state lol ....

Once loosened, you then also need an actual DC electric field to pull the water molecule apart ( electrical polarization process). It would then pull apart easier than without the "solvent" action of the potential field. So the stainless steel tubes are still necessary and must be in contact with the water. The tubes would function as a longitudinal vector potential antenna on top of providing the DC field/current to tug on the water molecule. Wouldnt a net zero field be the same as our initial condition ?

Let's say you hooked up the WFC as indicated. The voltage on both sides of the cell would then be equal since that is the nature of a single-wire transmission line. Therefore no voltage difference exists across the water gap, and no electric field, and thus no electron current either. However, the voltage, despite being equal across the gap, still changes over time due to the whole thing being powered by a tesla coil. Therefore the water would be exposed to a gradient-free time-varying scalar potential as I wrote in the post above. Perhaps this alone will not split the water. That's why Avramenko in that article said there was only a cold plasma, and no gas-generation. But -- if on top of this field, you added a small DC field (say from a 12 Volt supply), then you would be exerting a polarizing stress onto the water molecule that is already being exposed to this exotic Avramenko energy. That is what occurs in the Meyer VIC circuit if you hook up the bifilar coil with both coils in phase.

That's why I suspected the two same high voltages were being applied to inner and outer tubes of the WFC so that without a voltage gradient between the two (except the one maintained by the blocking diode) there is no additional current flow through the water from the high voltage and thus water conductivity from impurities wasn't a factor.

You could have a gradient-free scalar potential field that oscillates over time. What kind of work does this produce? Well, the Lorentz gauge shows that divergence of the vector potential is proportional to the time rate of change of scalar potential. Further, divergence of the vector potential is also proportional to charge density. Therefore if you have an oscillating voltage field, gradient-free, you would have oscillating charge density. This means the water molecule, being a dipole, would shrink and expand when exposed to such a field. The field would shrink and expand the electron shells too, perhaps switching off that covalent bonding electron pair and allowing the DC field maintained by the blocking diode to easily pull apart the water molecule.

[For those of you unfamiliar with those terms, scalar potential is basically the 'voltage' field from which an electric field arises when there is a gradient in it, while vector potential, aka "A-vec", is the 'flux' field from which magnetism arises when there is circulation in it].


If you notice in this montage from chapter 7/8 , Stan mentions a "non-voltage shift" , the "amp-inhibiting coil" is indeede balancing this to perfection so we end up with "total and perfect annihilation" of the two opposing waves


"Snapping Action" (Rubberbanding effect)

Clipped Unipolar Pulse Train (780C) is used to encourage further increase
in atomic dwell-time capable of raising Atomic Energy Level (AEI) of the Water Atoms to even a higher
energy-state
before Snapping-Action occurs
when Unipolar Pulse Wave (Upw) returns to ground state
(Vo) after voltage propagation (Vpa/Vpb). Of course, the repetition-rate of."Atomic SnappingAction"
(Asa) (the number of Voltage Pulse Fields Vpf occurring per unit of space-time) directly determines the
resultant energy level of Static Electrical Charging Effect (585) of Figure (8-1) since “Particle
Oscillation" is being used as a “Energy Generator" (EGpo),

Lol I quoted that from Hdemartin . Those words are not from me .


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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2009, 17:01:29 pm »

Clipped Unipolar Pulse Train (780C) is used to encourage further increase
in atomic dwell-time capable of raising Atomic Energy Level (AEI) of the Water Atoms to even a higher
energy-state
before Snapping-Action occurs
when Unipolar Pulse Wave (Upw) returns to ground state
(Vo) after voltage propagation (Vpa/Vpb). Of course, the repetition-rate of."Atomic SnappingAction"
(Asa) (the number of Voltage Pulse Fields Vpf occurring per unit of space-time) directly determines the
resultant energy level of Static Electrical Charging Effect (585) of Figure (8-1) since “Particle
Oscillation" is being used as a “Energy Generator"
(EGpo),





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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2009, 17:04:39 pm »
its the way the charged particles of the atoms react to the super opposing fields in that state of space.. that are rubber banding.

proton and and electrons  want to fall in opposite directions and are being pushed in opposite directions..  

stephen meyer brought up somthin interesting in one of the radio blogs.. he asked why is snow white.. and also said it is a big key to this technology

i have been pondering on it and these are my perspectives
snow is white because it is reflecting light...  water is tranperent because its absorbing all light and allowing it to pass though..

but somthing to really really focus on is that light can make transparent water evaporate and turn into white clouds in a EXPANDED STATE.. and snow is also in a EXPANDED STATE and it is white.  WATER EXPANDS IN BOTH OPPOSING TEMPERATURE STATES.    so what i think stan and stephen are trying to say is pure light itself can help surge water into higher EXPANDED STATE. for easier removal of electrons in the hfp.

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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2009, 17:10:49 pm »
@dankie
good you posted nonetheless, interesting theory  ;D

yes!
there you have it, the other property of water that gets charged.
the waterparticles get charged by the EM energy generated due to the electrons moving through 585.

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external electrical force (66/67) can alter the electromagnetic properties of a
atom since electromagnetic force is dependent on the movement of charged particles in a
electrostatic field. voltage Intensifier circuit (190) of figure (3-23), now, allows voltage to
dissociates water molecule (85) by overcoming electrostatic bonding force (qq') between unlike
atoms (76n7) while restricting amp flow, as illustrated in (160) of Figure (3-26).


@outlaw
also interesting
gonna ponder on it too
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