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New theory.....the real one?
« on: February 21, 2009, 11:12:09 am »
Hi,

After some study of the proces of Stan by many of you and me, i think that the HV theory is practically not proven (yet).
There is however another interesting part of Stan Meyer that could work.
Its the Electron Extraction circuit.

The theory is:
You pulse voltage current into the waterbath. In other words: you put electronflow into the water to pull the watermolecule apart.
As Stan shows, there will be ELECTRONS liberated in the proces of electrolysis.
The liberated electrons will recombine with atoms who are looking for an electron
For every action is a reaction. Meaning, the more power you put into the water, the more antireactions you get.

So, what are my thoughts on this? Well, if you pulse a stream of electrons into the water, you get 2 things happening.
First, the water is taking a charge and secondly, you pull the watermolecule apart into oxygen and hydrogen and ELECTRONS.

What would happen if you take the most of the floating electrons of the water after the first puls?
First, the gas would stay (longer) ionized. = more powerfull gas
Secondly, less recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen would occure in the waterbath = more gas
Third, less building up antireactions = less heat, etc..
Fourth, we create electricity. Re-use of electricity into to pulsing system saves power = more efficient

I have experienced that my platecell can light a 230V 60watt light bulp, after taking the power of the cel......

What are your thoughts on this theory, dear members of Ionizationx?

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Steve




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Re: New theory.....the real one?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 16:41:19 pm »
The only thing I can think of that is negative is:

you know when you 1st power the cell, there is a delay to start gas production, so I think that by pulling discharging the cell, will cause it to delay again when charging it again.

Only testing will tell.

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Re: New theory.....the real one?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 17:45:12 pm »
It works exactly as he says it does. I can explain the physics of the theory, but not yet the electronics of the theory.

Stan says "Switching off the covalent bond". For a while this never completely made sense, he even uses an example of turning off a switch to de-energize an electro magnet to drop a metal plate. That never really made sense when talking about the water molecule.


There is one single key fact that makes all of this work, and stan uses it in more than one way, in more than one of his technologies. You are really going to have to wrap your head around this single idea, and then a lot of things should become clear.

Electrons produce an electric/electromagnetic field dependent on the speed at which they move.

Now lets get into covalent bonds. In the water molecule there are two bonds, one bond between each hydrogen and the oxygen. One of these two bonds, (they are both the same), is connected only by the force of the e/em-field of one single electron.

So, we have the e/em-field of one electron holding these two atoms together.
The strength of this bond is directly proportional to the speed of that electron.

We want to weaken and break this bond.
We want to weaken and overpower the e/em-field.
We want to slow down the electrons in the water molecule.
We want to expose the water molecule to an external e-field. (voltage is an e-field)
We want to pull extremely hard on the water molecule and stretch it.
We want to change the "time share rate of the covalent electrons" = they slow down as they fight against the extremely strong external e-field during their rotation.
We want to slow down the electrons which reduces their e/em-field, while the atoms are under electrical stress in opposite directions.
The water molecule will just fall apart.

When stan says switch off the covalent bond, he means exactly that. Slam the water molecules with an external voltage that locks the atomic charges in place, slows/stops them and basically turns off the e/em-field they produce.

He says gas production varies in a geometrical rate as voltage increases. This describes perfectly what is going on above. Slam the water molecules with a higher external e-field and they will slow down more, and their e/em-field will be reduced to effectively nothing, "switched off"... and more bonds will break, and they will break faster.

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Re: New theory.....the real one?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2009, 18:08:34 pm »
If you want to know the theory behind using lasers, and light energy to aid the process, read this.


Quantum ionization

In quantum mechanics ionization can still happen classically where the electron has enough energy to make it over the potential barrier, but there is the additional possibility of tunnel ionization.

Tunnel ionization
Tunnel ionization is ionization due to quantum tunneling. In classical ionization an electron must have enough energy to make it over the potential barrier, but quantum tunneling allows the electron simply to go through the potential barrier instead of going all the way over it because of the wave nature of the electron. The probability of an electron tunneling through the barrier drops off exponentially with the width of the potential barrier. Therefore, an electron with a higher energy can make it further up the potential barrier, leaving a much thinner barrier to tunnel through and thus a greater chance to do so.

Non-sequential ionization
When the fact that the electric field of light is an alternating electric field is combined with tunnel ionization, the phenomenon of non-sequential ionization emerges. An electron that tunnels out from an atom or molecule may be sent right back in by the alternating field, at which point it can either recombine with the atom or molecule and release any excess energy, or it also has the chance to further ionize the atom or molecule through high energy collisions. This additional ionization is referred to as non-sequential ionization for two reasons: one, there is no order to how the second electron is removed, and two, an atom or molecule with a +2 charge can be created straight from an atom or molecule with a neutral charge, so the integer charges are not sequential. Non-sequential ionization is often studied at lower laser-field intensities, since most ionization events are sequential when the ionization rate is high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionize

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Tunnel ionization

Tunnel ionization is a process in which electrons in an atom (or a molecule) pass through the potential barrier and escape from the atom (or molecule). In an intense electric field, the potential barrier of an atom (molecule) is distorted drastically. Therefore, the length of the barrier that electrons have to pass decreases and electrons can escape from the atom (molecule) easily.

As an electric field of light is an alternating electric field, the direction of the electric field reverses after the half period of the field. Because electrons have a charge, electrons escaping by tunnel ionization come and go to the atom (molecule) in every half period. In this process, some electrons recombine with the nucleus (nuclei). Because the electrons have gained a large quantity of kinetic energy by acceleration from the electric field, surplus energy is released as light. The energy of this light is so high that this method is an effective way of generating ultraviolet light.

When the recombination does not occur, further ionization proceeds by collision between high-energy electrons and a parent atom (molecule). Consequently, a multivalent ion is created and this ion is collapsed by Coulomb repulsion. This is called Coulomb explosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_ionization



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Re: New theory.....the real one?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 20:13:59 pm »
remember what creates charge in a wire.. it is not the flow of electrons in the wire  thats current..

what makes a choke have a positve charge and a negative?   

under high voltage i think the positive choke removes outter single electron of copper in the positive choke..  kinda like the toroid is a electron extracion circuit it self..

by removing outter electron you make copper a positive  plus 1 charge per copper atom..  with 29 protons and 28 electrons..

so if your able to strip the positive choke of all the outter electrons it will create positive charge in choke.. 
i dont thinks that coil orientation exsist  in a fully charged choke. i think positve will be only positve and ground will allways remain neutral.. it is there just to match resistance/ impeadance. to slow down the oppourtunity of electrons racing across to positive side..  and if the coils are close to each other i think it might help?

so ithat would make since to say the more winds more voltage.. because you are adding inductance and the capacitance of positive charged copper ions.

i would say focus on that because we know there isnt curent involved.. current require the passing off of electrons threw the system.. the only ones in this system that have current is whats leaving the electrons being takeing out of positive choke.


just some food for thought

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Re: New theory.....the real one?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 20:37:26 pm »
I would think both chokes have electrons in them, they just get trapped by the magnetic field. Just look at this napkin, if you are going to explain your system on a napkin to someone, you are probably going to focus only on the key elements of the process.

For all the extra electrons to get pulled out of the positive choke, I imagine they would have to flow when there is no magnetic field, otherwise they are just trapped, and when they do flow, they produce a magnetic field.

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Re: New theory.....the real one?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 20:50:22 pm »
Hi,

After some study of the proces of Stan by many of you and me, i think that the HV theory is practically not proven (yet).



Care to explain what this was?

Hi,

Well, there is always a first for everything.
And here are the first bubles of a working HV water fracturing setup.

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Br
Steve

ps
sorry for the noice....

So in theory, you could could hook up multiple cells and not draw more current off the primary of the step up transformer?

Mikemongo

yes, you are right with that conclusion.

br
steve

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Re: New theory.....the real one?
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 21:12:51 pm »

I have experienced that my platecell can light a 230V 60watt light bulp, after taking the power of the cel......



The first thought that came flying to me was Stanleys "Switchover circuit"  

Must mean that he somehow switched between the cells...maybe there is a smart way to re-use the energy to another cell..


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