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Re: Alternator
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2009, 23:37:55 pm »
Hi aussepom,


Ten years with aircraft electronics can be usefull in understanding what and how Stanley A. Meyer ran his buggy's on water.
Knowledge in electronics is needed here...

Yes, it was a DC generator, but with the voltage regulator removed and without the rectifier brigde it ended up like the newer AC systems.

Close to no current where pulsed, but the Voltage was high. Pulse generator....
However the blocking diode in the Voltage Intensifier Circuit cannot be a blocking diode, if there was a resonance involved in the water fuel cell...

But i am working on a... self resonating cell, so the alternator setup can wait.

I hope we get a breakthru soon... i am so fed up with filling petrol on my car.. ;D

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The breakthrought will come from the VIC , not from some "self-resonating"    ::)  cell or an off-the-shelf alternator  ...

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Re: Alternator
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2009, 07:15:47 am »
Its not as much as where the break threw will come from its more about what you learn based on what you do. For example, i've learned alot from the alternator setup. Now its his turn. We already know that tube cells doesn't produce allot of gas, half a liter max. We all do different things and we all learn differently, But each time we gain knowledge it was earned.

I look forward to seeing his success If he decides to share with half negative, and half positive peeps. 

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Re: Alternator
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 08:04:27 am »
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Its not as much as where the break threw will come from its more about what you learn based on what you do. For example, i've learned alot from the alternator setup. Now its his turn. We already know that tube cells doesn't produce allot of gas, half a liter max. We all do different things and we all learn differently, But each time we gain knowledge it was earned.

do you see what ur saying slick..   "But each time we gain knowledge it was earned"    that word gain.. do you see how that is our overunity as a human.. we put in a question(neg) .. it in return gives us a answer(pos).. the product is gain.. and gain is where free power comes from since knowlege is power.. i keep saying this and feel like im going nuts with no response from anyone lol. this is how voltage is DOING WORK in stans set up.. i understand it completely..  resonance is nothing more then building up pressures evenly on both sides of the choke.. you need the same vacuum force as you need pressure.. it keep them trading light and electrons evenly (bi directional trading) in a orderly fashion without turbulence.. if one side has more voltage or less it will cause a turbulent spiral like a tornado current traveling in the wire.. compared to the pumping of the dipole current...  that turbulent action will in return make the coppers atom nucleus flop back in forth causing heat in the wire and the core. ..  stans way i believe they will remain cold.. but i cant say.

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Re: Alternator
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2009, 00:18:46 am »
When you change the speed of your alternator do you change the frequency of your pulsing, or just leave it at one speed?
And do you pulse the alternator with a duty cycle, which would change the output voltage?
(assumptions of the operations based on the EPulseG, i've become more curious to the alternator)

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Re: Alternator
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2009, 06:28:32 am »
if im not mistaken the alternator will change frequency when rpms change.. lets say your alternator has 3 poles (triangle part on rotor) on the positive side and on the negative side.... this means in 1 turn of the rotor it will produce 3 full cycles.. in each phase... so if the rotor was to turn one full turn in 1 secoind exact your out put would be 3 hertz...

lets say 2500 rpm with 3 poles north and south... divide it by 60 seconds you get 41 somthing.. times it by 3 and you have 125 full ac cycles in one second..... i think they have more then 3 poles on each side though...

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Re: Alternator
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2009, 06:50:25 am »
yea, they have 13 'loops' in each phase, so that is 39 poles? maybe... lets try some math

i think electric motors usually run at 1750 or 3500 which is double that, and then with a a pulley you could change that but lets say 3500 since i don't know the ratios

39*3500/60 = 2275 Hz, what happens when you rectify that? doubles? so your looking at 5k Hz ... in the range... didn't count the pulley ratio, maybe i did all this math wrong but it kind of makes sense.

Does anyone have an frequency measurements off their alternator, for curiosity sake?

I know sometimes if you don't use carbon resistor spark plugs in your car you can hear sound coming from the alternator picked up in the audio system in your car, it produces a frequency in the audio range that interferes with the electronics, the spark plug wires act like antenna.

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Re: Alternator
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2009, 10:51:43 am »
Excellent feedback guys,


The pullyes was 1:1 so the alternator ran at the same speed as stamped in on the plate on the driver motor,  2750 RPM

The AC motor speed is determined by the frequency input and the frequency in the alternator output is determined by the speed....

So if i want to change the speed RPM or the HZ hertz, frequency i had to change the pulley size AND/OR use a VFD :  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-frequency_drive

But i did not. At 2750 RPM and the plate cell gap was 2 millimeter, i wish i knew the frequency, but it looks like this clamp meter can measure it :

 http://images.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://www.allproducts.com/ee/tecpel/Product-20061222175613.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.allproducts.com/ee/tecpel/Product-20061222175613_print.html&usg=__nrvPHg_2knsT37T2H-0GMqKbD9c=&h=450&w=450&sz=19&hl=no&start=1&um=1&tbnid=Vf7AYkUYwf4QeM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dac%2Bfrequency%2Bmeter%26hl%3Dno%26rlz%3D1T4GGLJ_noNO267NO267%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Cell gap and frequency is stated to be important by Meyer..must dig deeper in this..


















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Re: Alternator
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2009, 16:31:32 pm »
In the machine shop we have a VFD running one of the lathes, it is used to run the 3 phase motor on single phase by splitting the single phase into 3 equal wave forms, when we got them I didn't know anything about it, but now I imagine if I understood how to use the VFD completely, then I could probably use it to run a WFC, they cost about 400-600 on ebay I think.