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Re: Cheap plate cell
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2009, 12:39:44 pm »
Hi all,


The brown smuck coming from the water is part of the chemical proces of electrolysis.
The better your cell is, the more junk you get in your water.
I mean, if you use tap or well or rain water.

Thats the reason why many researchers went to use destilled and KOH or other chemicals.
The big problem they have is that they forget that those chemicals are having influence on the burnrate of their gas.
Thats why they think that they need so much gas for running an engine.

So, there is only 1 thing you can do and that is filtering your water.
Thats why my system is a CLOSED water loop with a small pump and a big waterfilter.
Stan Meyer also used a coalfilter in his tubecell accourding to his patents.
He also used a electrode that attrackted the junk from the water.
No sure how that works, but i am working on that right now.

I use a coalfilter of 10u and that works fine. Now i can run my system for more then 2 hours, before all things are messed up by junk.
And thats just a start. Another thing is that you need a good size watertank. The more water in your circuit the better it is.
I spent hours in the pool/pond shop for looking at poolfilters / pondfilters. They gave me some good idea's.

A small tip: If you have a small setup, then you can start with a very cheap petrol filter which you buy in every car parts shop.
Buy the biggest you can get. Sadly enough, they cannot be cleaned...so, after some time you have to dump them.

If you want something better and that you can clean, then google for : pentek filters
or check out ebay on that.....http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=pentek+filters&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

The casing i have is shown on a pic below

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Re: Cheap plate cell
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2009, 21:43:31 pm »
Hey Fred, like the rest of us you need to learn and feel what electrolysis is, there is only so much info you can read without testing it for your self
Hydro, Stevie, Spike and a few more is actually building the stuff you read about, Dankie need to build before he can give much of a advice
Start small and work your way up, that's R&D Fred
Here is a link or two you can take a look at

6.5HP generator

Simple cold fusion device

There is more videos explaining dry cell's

Go build it Fred

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Re: Cheap plate cell
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2009, 22:14:54 pm »
Hey Fred, like the rest of us you need to learn and feel what electrolysis is, there is only so much info you can read without testing it for your self
Hydro, Stevie, Spike and a few more is actually building the stuff you read about, Dankie need to build before he can give much of a advice
Start small and work your way up, that's R&D Fred
Here is a link or two you can take a look at

6.5HP generator

Simple cold fusion device

There is more videos explaining dry cell's

Go build it Fred

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Fred , dont listen to Brownsgas , all he has is a boring  electrolysis cell that pulls like 30 amps . He has been turning in circles constantly re-making his cell in the hopes of getting better results , but its always the same old self-destructing electrolysis process nothing special .

Dont build it Fred






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Re: Cheap plate cell
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2009, 22:53:32 pm »
Well Dankie, that was exactly the response I expected from a 15 year old boy that haven't built anything in his life 
It show how little you know about this
Good luck building to you too


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Re: Cheap plate cell
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2009, 23:06:57 pm »
Fred,

I think all is said here.
My 2 cents are just simple. Keep on building and learning.
For me a drycell with a very small gap is working.
For Hydro a wetcell is the best.
Much of it is related to the water you wanna use.

I preach as long as i can remember, no to use chemicals and destilled, because of many reasons.
1. chemicals eat your hard paid cell
2. chemicals slow down the burnrate of the hydrogen
3. chemicals and destilled water cost  money

So, decide what type of water you wanna use and go from there! ;) ;)

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Re: Cheap plate cell
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2009, 23:26:47 pm »
i was thinking about using distilled cause its produce no scum.. or maybe some tap water but mine getting a little dirty. For now im going to test my bowl at 1mm gap with distilled and tap water... its all about fun here nothing scientific  :P thanks!

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Re: Cheap plate cell
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2009, 00:44:01 am »
Hydro I pmed you a question

Here is the process you speak of Hydro


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Re: Cheap plate cell
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2009, 01:41:21 am »
No mater how you do electrolysis you are going to get chromium and a few other exotic elements in your process, that's a fact and you can't get by that
the thing is if you use pure water/distilled water you would have some way of controlling that, with tap water you don't since you don't know what is contaminating the water
as for LYE/NaOh or KOH/Potassium hydroxy it's cheap and it's NOT going to destroy your plates, that's just the crap people that don't have the experience in the field tell you
I know for a fact that it's true, I did the water test's, and I know what it mean
Some companies have been building electrolysers since the 1960's http://www.electrolysers.com/ it's no secret, soak up the tech and use it for your purpose Fred

Build your version first, learn about what YOU can do, THEN you can soak up further development in this tech field


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