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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 14:33:51 pm »
So hydro,

I think I may understand what your getting at.  Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Lets say we have a combustion chamber filled mostly with water mist and ambient air, and a little bit of hydrogen.

We then compress the water mist, ambient air and hydrogen which causes heat, at the very top of this we ignite the little amount of hydrogen in the combustion chamber which causes an ever greater amount of heat energy, the water absorbs this heat energy, turns into super heated steam and forces the cylinder down to produce engine power. It's pretty much a steam engine with a little bit of fuel to increase the efficiency???

Well, We don't ignite anything, the heated and compressed ambient air does that. To me, i do not think of it as an explosive situation, more like a liquid to gas conversion.

That sounds like a Great ideal HMS, I wouldn't say compress the water mist because its only injected 5 or 10 degree's before tdc i would think. I do not see anything wrong with letting a little leak into the intake to give the water a bit more spunk.. On those little diesel engines anyone happen to know if there is 2 ports one for the air and the other for diesel? It would be neat if those would work out but unfortunately i am not 100% sure, i feel as if the key is in the type of mist the injectors make.

I plan on tested all of this, and its not a speedy process. If i can catch one of those little engines cheap enough i'll get me one and put it to the test after i confirm it runs on diesel, i should just set my buggy up on diesel and go from there, it would probably be easier than playing with a small motor as id probably blow it off the table with the amount of hydrogen we create now days.

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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 03:43:08 am »
I honestly have no clue who Albert Bow's is, i can tell you i have been researching this technology and this is what i have found stan to be doing.

This is the words from stan, "The air is mixed with Water from the reservoir tank at about 125 lb. of pressure to produce water fuel. The water fuel put in the injector" then he goes on talking about the VIC. If you study that one sentence it is clear that the only time air is mixed with water is when the water meets the air in the cylinder. Stan also said it could be retrofited onto any car, which is why i am still a bit slow on the compression.

I think i need to know how hot the air gets in normal engines, it is possible that it will become hot enough for the conversion.

The old car stan ran with the wfc injector in the video, can anyone identify that car?

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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2008, 07:29:24 am »
Hydrocars,

I must say that i like this running on water concept. Its makes sence enough to start researche on it.

It is a totall different animal then the electrolysis technic.

lets see if we can get some results!

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 17:20:23 pm »
I believe you hydro. As far as I can see it's a dual Steam hydrogen engine.

Everyone should look at the following video:


Notice how stan's injector plugs are directly connected to the distributor! (0:36 in the video)

They are a combination of a gas injector and a spark plug, not much more than if you took a spark plug, cut a hole in the housing and installed a threaded fitting, and removed the creamic material so you could have a place for your gasses and water vapors to go.

Satn's injectors have a pos 20Kv pluse train that has resonance (same as a normal spark plug does) After all the spark plug itself acts as a capacitor while the ignition coil acts as the inductor in this circuit. So it's a LC circuit capable of resonance. Looki it up on wikipedia if you don't believe me.

Another thing to prove this out, Stan's injector has 1 wire coming straight from the distributor, So all he has is a +20Kv voltage zone, and a 0v (ground voltage zone), these are not opposite voltage zones and the only thing they will do is rotate the water molecule so the Oxygen atom faces the +20Kv voltage zone. Without opposite voltage zones you aren't doing anything, but when the +20Kv voltage zone ionizes the air and connects to ground it creates a spark, releasing thermal explosive energy when the spark is exposed to hydrogen and air gasses.


My only question now is, How much water mist and hydrogen does it take to produce the same power as a normal gasoline engine?

By the way hydro that car stan showed the injector with was an old ford tarus I believe...

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2008, 18:36:57 pm »
well done guys.
Yes, this injector is pure water. No hydrogen tank.
I wish i had enough money to go for this one too.

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2008, 21:11:06 pm »

 I'm not able to view videos, but, I think what y'all are talking about, could be accomplished with an "anti-fouler", spark plug extension. Bore a hole in the side of the extension, on an angle, and braze in a metal tube, or, thread it, and screw in a connector. Put the gasses in below the spark plug, that is screwed in the top of the extension ???

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2008, 21:37:12 pm »

 I'm not able to view videos, but, I think what y'all are talking about, could be accomplished with an "anti-fouler", spark plug extension. Bore a hole in the side of the extension, on an angle, and braze in a metal tube, or, thread it, and screw in a connector. Put the gasses in below the spark plug, that is screwed in the top of the extension ???

Maybe you can provide us with a photo an better understanding?

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2008, 21:50:14 pm »
I believe you hydro. As far as I can see it's a dual Steam hydrogen engine.

Everyone should look at the following video:


Notice how stan's injector plugs are directly connected to the distributor! (0:36 in the video)

They are a combination of a gas injector and a spark plug, not much more than if you took a spark plug, cut a hole in the housing and installed a threaded fitting, and removed the creamic material so you could have a place for your gasses and water vapors to go.

Satn's injectors have a pos 20Kv pluse train that has resonance (same as a normal spark plug does) After all the spark plug itself acts as a capacitor while the ignition coil acts as the inductor in this circuit. So it's a LC circuit capable of resonance. Looki it up on wikipedia if you don't believe me.

Another thing to prove this out, Stan's injector has 1 wire coming straight from the distributor, So all he has is a +20Kv voltage zone, and a 0v (ground voltage zone), these are not opposite voltage zones and the only thing they will do is rotate the water molecule so the Oxygen atom faces the +20Kv voltage zone. Without opposite voltage zones you aren't doing anything, but when the +20Kv voltage zone ionizes the air and connects to ground it creates a spark, releasing thermal explosive energy when the spark is exposed to hydrogen and air gasses.


My only question now is, How much water mist and hydrogen does it take to produce the same power as a normal gasoline engine?

By the way hydro that car stan showed the injector with was an old ford tarus I believe...


Thank you again HMS, you are much help to me!

If you will take the time to look (40) seconds into that same video, you will see what i now think is water solenoid gates that controls the injectors. So this probably replaced the older distributor type water pump the diesels had.
 
You have been much help!