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Re: Stan Meyer cracked by JNaudin!!!!
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2008, 20:09:13 pm »
I think by far this guy is the closest to getting it right....BUt he's only 18.8Kv's away from water ionization by voltage....Water ionization will work at low voltages, but at higher voltage it is much better....It works much like a car's ignition system...20Kv+ is where things really start to happen!

The spark plug is part of an LC circuit which  operates at high voltages....At high voltage, the air is ionized between the anode and cathode of the spark plug allowing electron leakage to take place between the two which is seen as the spark.

The water capacitor is very similar to a spark plug, except that electron leakage is not allowd...The spark plug also shows us a very good electrical insulator to use (ceramic) which protects at high voltages....

 Everyone here needs to look up the following patent -4,427,512 "Water decomposition method and device using ionization by collision."
In this patent the water ionization process is described using a ceramic insulation between the anode and cathode much like that of a spark plug!

IF YOU WANT GOOD RESULTS, YOU NEED HIGH VOLTAGE AND A GOOD INSULALTING MATERIAL!!!

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Re: Stan Meyer cracked by JNaudin!!!!
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2008, 22:28:20 pm »
I think by far this guy is the closest to getting it right....BUt he's only 18.8Kv's away from water ionization by voltage....Water ionization will work at low voltages, but at higher voltage it is much better....It works much like a car's ignition system...20Kv+ is where things really start to happen!

The spark plug is part of an LC circuit which  operates at high voltages....At high voltage, the air is ionized between the anode and cathode of the spark plug allowing electron leakage to take place between the two which is seen as the spark.

The water capacitor is very similar to a spark plug, except that electron leakage is not allowd...The spark plug also shows us a very good electrical insulator to use (ceramic) which protects at high voltages....

 Everyone here needs to look up the following patent -4,427,512 "Water decomposition method and device using ionization by collision."
In this patent the water ionization process is described using a ceramic insulation between the anode and cathode much like that of a spark plug!

IF YOU WANT GOOD RESULTS, YOU NEED HIGH VOLTAGE AND A GOOD INSULALTING MATERIAL!!!

Hi HMS,

Thats a nice theory, but can you tell us more in practice what to do with that?
I have for example a nice tube setup with 1 fully insulated innertube.
I can tell you one thing. I never seen 1 buble coming of that  tube and i tried many circuits to drive it!
If you can, please tell us how to do it.

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Re: Stan Meyer cracked by JNaudin!!!!
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2008, 23:27:59 pm »
To put it in the simplest way: You build it as shown in the tech brief...

It's funny that people are building chokes (inductors) and not paying any attention to how there being built...People say 100 turns of this or that...What about the inductance values, and the capacitance values of the water capacitor which form the LC circuit...If you research LC circuits the reasonant frequency is such that it depends on both the inductance of the inductor, and the capacitance of the cap. The reasons for resonance is to help electrons flow at a higher pressure "higher voltage" and at the same time to reduce current.

This being said all parts of the circuit must be made to operate at the same frequency.....If you build your LC circuit to operate at a certain frequency, but your transformer was not built to operate at that frequency you will experience losses, if you build a pulsing circuit which cannot meet the frequency of the LC circuit you'll never get anywhere.....It all boils down to math, impedance matching, inductance coupling in the transformer, a well built water cap, etc etc....

I don't think Stan spent 13 years just experimenting with different designs and a different number of turns on his coils, he did the math, he worked his butt off and he eventutally made it  happen....You can't just throw something together and expect big results. You've got to educate yourself on every possible and related aspect of stan's work......Most of his work allready exists in some form of another and we use it daily....For examp[le I described earlier the automobiles ignition system which consists of a High voltage transformer and forms an LC circuit....The spark plug is nearly a mirror image of the water capacitor stan meyer designed.....Many high voltage caps use ceramic insulators the same way spark plugs use.....

TO BUILD IT

FOLLOW STAN MEYER'S TECH BRIEF.....A 3" tube with a .750 ID and a .50 OD rod wil resonate at around 5KhZ, from here we know the type of pulsing ciruit we will need to build.....

Build the Water cap, Get it coated with a ceramic insulating material with a high dielectric
Dip it in water and measure the Capacitance value
Now you can do the math and dtermine the inductance of your chokes required to get the circuit to resonate at 5KhZ...
From there you have the VIC coil, which contains a lot of math to figure it out....But go from there, stop wasting time experimenting, build ecerything to the specs, if stan doesen't give you the specs, search for them, after all he's not the first one to design a RF transformer, and LC circuit, and a pulsing circuit.....Good Luck!

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Re: Stan Meyer cracked by JNaudin!!!!
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2008, 00:15:48 am »

 This explanation sounds just like what Bob Boyce may have done. I heard his system is VERY meticulous to build.

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Re: Stan Meyer cracked by JNaudin!!!!
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2008, 01:18:44 am »
Dear Steve,

It is the water  capacitor and not so much the circuit. I have been able to get a reaction using a one inch inner tube insulated on the outside with a PVC pipe. My outer tube ID is 1.375 ".

PVC has a dielectric constant of 4.4 much like delrin. I am using a MOT and have gotten bubbles with an ignition coil.


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Re: Stan Meyer cracked by JNaudin!!!!
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2008, 09:17:58 am »
Dear Steve,

It is the water  capacitor and not so much the circuit. I have been able to get a reaction using a one inch inner tube insulated on the outside with a PVC pipe. My outer tube ID is 1.375 ".

PVC has a dielectric constant of 4.4 much like delrin. I am using a MOT and have gotten bubbles with an ignition coil.


hi, as i already thought, you also do not have a fully insulated innertube. Yr inside and top/bottum edges are blanc metal.
I did that once and got bubbles too.
Not sure if thats the way.
You should get some kind of capacitance, i ll gues..maybe its time to re do that setup and do some capacitance measurements.
I know that Andrea Puharich also had a small kathode edge and a larger anode.
If thats the trick to get hv acros the system...

can you do that too? How much nF is yr little cell?
Maybe we can go from there...

for sure, i know resonance circuit pretty well..
Just need to find the right capa from the cell.

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Re: Stan Meyer cracked by JNaudin!!!!
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2008, 09:20:18 am »
Ps.

yaro, how much volts did you get across your tube with the MOT? Would like to known that very much!

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Re: Stan Meyer cracked by JNaudin!!!!
« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2008, 19:00:49 pm »
I am measuring a peak of 210 volts dc. I measure 3.3 nF as the cell capacitor. I do not have an O'scope so the measurements may not be true.

Yes the tube is not completely insulated but I was getting a dead short with zero bubbles without the insulation.