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Sequential high voltage distriuter
« on: July 16, 2020, 12:13:37 pm »
Hope the picture can be self explanatory. 


I was thinking about some experiments I did and why didn't worked..  I was trying this stand cell with 11 cells in many ways.. and somehow I got stuck before having multi phase tests...

I was considering this drawing and perhaps with a small motor spinning a piece of hard steel wire with steel nails on an isolating shaft and holder would be possible to make a multi phase output for DC...

My idea with this is that if somehow we can apply high dc voltage sequentially to the tubes in this configuration.. perhaps we can verify a current flow in this diode circle.. every touch and go would provide a pulse on the each nail...

It could be done with a transformer phase for each electrode...

In case if we had 11 cells.. with a distributer having 11 nails at 60 rotations per cycle would give up to 660hz

I guess a coil around the cell would be able to pick this signal 

My idea is that if this works perhaps we could create current from potential at a phase angle where it will not create reaction... is all about moving, deflecting electrons with high electric field.

Stan points the voltage potential equation for a dielectric medium.. this mean many things and one is that when you set up a charge rod inside water it will create a voltage gradient this mean that a second electrode at a distance x will have a voltage differential from the first electrode.. however you can't touch the electrodes to each other or they will have the same potential...

Superconductors works by copper's pair basically electrons travel in different manner without hitting the atoms..  correct me if I'm wrong please

A whismhurst machine works by using a disc to charge some plates at a point and discharge them at a second point where they are far from each other... work is done in separating the electrodes as we are doing capacitance change...

In the case of the drawing the charge is kept since only potential is used so the current that would flow should not consume power at all

Hope you get the time to think about it






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Re: Sequential high voltage distriuter
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2020, 12:23:27 pm »
The high voltage distributor I'm referring too came as an idea to apply sequential voltage field to the electrodes with decent isolation.. I took this idea from like 23years ago I saw a man in the beach that made a device for building a sequential lights like airport landing lights as he was doing nigh flights with his aero modelism plane.. 

He used a dc motor from a car glass cleaner..  nails for each light and a piece of iron that rotates touching each nail independently..

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Re: Sequential high voltage distriuter
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2020, 12:29:31 pm »
Maybe this is why stan used the alternator

I would test it today using a diode for each coil and apply to the inner cells of a 3 cell design and outer connected as in the diagram

Than I guess the idea is to have a 7th electrode on the water connected to a resistance as to bring enough current as to I have enough charge on the electrodes to initiate the processes of deflection.


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Re: Sequential high voltage distriuter
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2020, 12:53:40 pm »
I had all this ideas this morning it came all at once in my head like a kind of message.. hope came for good.

When i get all the things stan said together with this makes me lot o sense.

He says it can go up to megahertz but would but 5khz is enough.

He said he use voltage potential to move and deflect electrons without consuming power..

He used diodes to control the current flow

Well in my mere opinion this is where the 40kv 1ma can be used for ..

There may be still something to make it work..

But at least now for me is clear what we can do with voltage..   like a magnet can create a voltage perpendicular to is movement a voltage must create a current if its moved in another referential.

If I were a better physicist I would have figured this out before and perhaps explain better but I guess you got the idea.

Waiting for your replies please I'm very curious if any of you did this before and if so why didn't work.


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Re: Sequential high voltage distriuter
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2020, 20:47:15 pm »
Ill gues you need only 1 diode to route the potential...
I trully dont see any special effects in yr setup

But that doesnt say anything.
Any change that you build this system?

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Re: Sequential high voltage distriuter
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2020, 00:04:15 am »
Hi Steve... I did some test in the past with this.. but only used one source of potential...

I'm not saying that the diodes are necessarily in this configuration maybe it can form a closed loop with all electrodes involved so the anode of the diodes goes to inner electrodes for example.. but still the multiphase is required

The idea with the diodes is to have a manner to apply the potential sequentially without discharging the system yet making a dc closed loop. One diode would not allow the electrodes to keep charged with same polarity when the next receive the voltage...

When I tried I tried with only one source of potential so i wasn't actually deflecting the electrons along the circuit. That's why i didn't had a current flow.. in my point of view is possible that if we use a multi phase sequential pulse we can walk those electrons making it happens just by the expense of charging the cells with the voltage required..

In an oscilloscope we can deflect the electrons with voltage... in a particle accelerator is possible to accelerate an electron flipping the voltage over a magnetic field.. the electron radius increase as is velocity is increased.

If we could make the cell to get charged and simply take this charge and change referential my guess is that we are going to have a current flow. Like if you take a piece of magnet and attract a piece of iron over a table.. but in the case you can teleport the magnet to different positions.. the diodes however allow the current to flow only in one direction.. 

I'm getting crazy and it makes no sense at all?

I don't know but I seem to have seeing stan talking about simply deflecting electrons.. using potential as a force within the circuit but not consuming it..

If ac were to be applied to each inside tube also some strange possibility could happen...

We know that for some reason the cell generated tons of hydrogen to run the car with 40w.. a tv set consumes such power... how a tv works .. there is the electron generator filament the acceleration potential and deflecting plates or magnets.. this morning I don't know how something told me that he was doing just this and made me all the sense with the resistors either for me because you should have a initiating current to strong polarize the cell to high voltage actually.. if we don't connect one end of the wire we get low voltage in reality... now if we have a plate inside water even small it can represent this resistance.. the connection..

We want full force fields on the electrodes.. I guess the way to do it is the electron extraction electrode stan talk about.. or maybe just a small reference..

I think you get my point.. there is two currents actually one in this more open circuit and a second will be withing the electrodes but is independent and so here is why in my theory we can kind of generate this strange exchange of charges around the cell by teleporting the fields by sequential or multphase pulsing of dc..

Hope it made some clearance on the reason of the diodes.. the diodes will dissipate lot of power but this power is coming from the potential vs induced current..




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Re: Sequential high voltage distriuter
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2020, 11:42:24 am »
I mention a small electrode inside water .. however I think perhaps we must think better

Stan had what he called the electrostatic filter and I guess I understood why..

When we have two identical electrodes inside water at very high distance and apply a  positive and negative it will form a electric field that is uniform between.. voltage / distance = E
If we reduced one of the electrodes most of the electric field will concentrate there because also E= j × d  or current density times distance.. so when we reduce a electrode to a point it will increase resistance and so the voltage drop...

This take me to a conclusion

Water cells must be small

The other electrode I mentioned must be as large as possible.. 

We need to make a water resistance increase by geometric arranging or funneling the water between the two regions...

If we charge them yo 1kv actually one will be 500v and other will be -500v the voltage drop is going to be at the water resistance... and so the fields on the electrodes are going to be the maximum..

So water cells must have two compartments

The electrode could be charged relative to ground and maintained with a capacitor of decent size.. this will increase the voltage field of the cell electrode..

I hope you see how this different is from having a couple of electrodes connected to coils only...

First we need to know how to maximize the current density of cells electrode to have a greater electric field...

In stan cells the outer electrode are isolated since the water passes thru the inner electrode on input and tat  go out from same electrode..

My feel is that if we already saturate an electrode with some current giving it a certain electric field and we than create a secondary current ... necessarily this secondary current will increase the electric field at the electrode face and since it have a potential already stabilized by what I'm describing we probably can benefit from this field by interfering with other..

Fields can sum or subtract.. if we charge two plates with 1000v in the middle between field is zero since it will point always outwards that's because those going inwards cancel out..

Stan developed a kind of resistive material and my guess is that he made not to limit current.. but to be able to concentrate the electric fields where he wants..

For example if we add a sort of isolating material that covers the electrodes leaving only small sections  we are going to increase the field or voltage drop

A resistor will consume power and depending in size and shape in my opinion could be comparable to a high dielectric doped ceramic.. impurities in ceramic makes it conductive..

Some semiconductor like tektrical pointed can behave capacitively up to a certain voltage and than become conductive above.. like a varistor

Coming back to the point.. electrostatic in water is not exactly static and so we must think how to get the field where we want otherwise seeing no effects from our work is the only thing we are going to achieve.

Even when we get a acrylic cell with one electrode inside and charge it to 50kv is not true that this 50kv is where we want... since with very few microamps this will create a static drop of voltage on the acrylic case itself

So we need to throw some power to accomplish the job like stan said.   

This is the only project that when I start to think about makes me back to live.. I don't know why.. even after so many years.. even with no money or results.. this quest is maybe the only thing that makes and sense and reason to my life. Thanks for never let this fire goes away.








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Re: Sequential high voltage distriuter
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2020, 15:24:21 pm »
I think if we use some kind of catalyst would be much easier to make it happen.. 

Basically we need the ions to absorb to be able to use them.. catalysts lower the barrier and in my guess using electric fields will be just enough to make it work.

Is not that hard for me to believe that stan coated his tubes with maybe palladium... or platinum or both

It's being a while thinking and thinking and I truly believe is there a way to accomplish meyer's claim

We are almost there

I'm going to explain why I think the catalyst will do the job

When we charge up the ss cells what happens is that a double layer of opposite ions will glue to the double layer.. but a catalyst will make the ions pass thru and lend their charge to the electrode with no electrical input required for this. So when if what I'm saying is true a water capacitor having platinum electrode would have much greater charge content I guess would be much different.

I have some small amount of palladium but is not enough to make a test =(

In near future I plan to buy some to make such tests... I still have palladium chloride solution that can be plated over nichel plated ss but need a palladium electrode for this..

In theory if we charge the electrodes in this way the ions are trapped so instead of passing a current with a voltage over it you must simply discharge however its going to have opposite polarity should behave like a kind of inductor

Voltage must be applied to the electrodes sets 180 degrees so no power is consumed directly...

I'm going to make some few tests when I can