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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2008, 15:12:13 pm »
hi steve,

no i think that ozone is the way.....

i was just reading stans statement as follows.

The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

ok.....the O3 is neutraly charged.........if electrons are removed from the O2 then it will become positively charged.............as will the hydrgen ion.
if both elements are positvly charged they will naturaly repel and no reaction.....but stan says this "prevention of formation of water.....releases the thermal explosive energy".....???????

i think the extra active Oxygen on the O3 is the energy for the enhanced reaction.and the formation of O3 gives extra kinetic energy to the hydrogen.

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James,

I think you are pretty on the right track here.
The thermal explosion in Meyers texts are normally related towards the Injector solution of him.
When you inject water into a cylinder, under pressure, and you ignite it, the water will thermally explode...
Water can be instable. Try to put a cup of water in a microwave oven. After heating, take it out and put a cold spoon in it. The water almost explodes....

So,what does Meyer mean with this? I think he is making a gas mix that is unstable and easely to explode thermally?
Remember that a Thermal explosion is much more violent then a combustion explosion...

my 2 cents....
Its getting more and more interesting

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2008, 05:02:36 am »
Steve:

I'm looking more and more at the Blue-Ray LED

Blue LED inventor promises water fuel cells
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2005/10/27/blue-led-inventor-promises-water-fuel-cells

Nichia's new laser diode is able to emit pulsed light at 320mW
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=19792

How light is made from the ordered motion of electrons in atoms and molecules
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Light/atomspectra.html

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2008, 13:41:04 pm »
Yes, frequency matters, gentleman..

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2008, 23:29:16 pm »
I wrote this last night before the cable went down and kicked my computer offline. Now I'll edit it a bit.
Wow, "enlightening" excellent science. You have studied hard.
I have to ask have you tried, experimented with the laser or is it just of your understanding of the spectrum and these particular atoms structures. (you said you have tried)
Just for the sake of practical use I am as well as most here are more than willing to put this to use if I may speak for others. Sorry if I speak for others but I'm thrilled!
To be put to use you suggested the "argon flouride laser @ 193nm" the reason I'm asking is obvious as I am preparing to get a laser and as I think again we don't want to waste hard earned cash in the process. Great science on the other hand is no waste in my book and has to be experienced. As to the HV ionization are we speaking of more than 1 method possible? I mean a HV laser at 193nm or maybe the neon transformer or microwave transformer and 2 electrodes. Or both? Would these have almost the same outcome? What are your takes on the low voltage cheaper lasers verses higher voltage. Is the light coming from the laser any different as (HV or LV) it would be the same spectrum and low voltage lasers appear cheaper. Or will the gas feel the static nature of high voltage more. You may have answered the HV but I would just like to hear it again :). Now what about power of the laser as it appears at a 80mw range or more this could destroy the vessel we may use in production (a plastic housing). Should it have a focus length on it to bring it to a point or? The lower power what maybe 15-40mw would suffice do you think? James I appreciate your input, thank you.

I also read about the cones H2power it definately is worth trying as a step up in energy maybe produced as it gets to the point of the cone or tip if I remember right. Also there was a video on one site somewhere. The cones that they used appeared to me 2 or 3" wide as well as 2-3" tall and it looked good a ton of gas produced. That sparked my interests also.
These parts just don't come around so easy, one thing I can think of is food grade funnels as they should be made from 316l maybe. Some small funnels and you can make 2 different style cones from them small tight ones from the spout and larger ones from the body. What would be the gage of the stainless on the food funnels or cones?

I saw some muffler pipes called resonator tubes I thought to be of interest. But maybe to large (over 3" wide), they had what appeared to be a round pressed out larger cavity 3.5 or 4" and short tubess on the ends. Maybe cut in half would be nice if there was a matching size to put inside each other.

Sometimes these videos are not what they appear to be, they don't show all the pieces of the system. It seems that finally items like vacuum are becoming quite apparent as it does wonders and allows the use of HV and electrical emmissions in cells that may ignite if the vacuum was not there to prevent this. These high voltage circuits need protection, it appears if the vacuum fails then the HV needs to turn off. that seems easy.

oh well hope to hear more on lasers or other HV in this section.
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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2008, 03:48:26 am »
These are the frequencys that I will use for this experiment:

656.46 nm  = red
486.27 nm  = blue
434.17 nm = blue-violet
410.29 nm = violet


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Steve:

Do you know if it is possible to fine tune adjust the nm value of the LED's? Also, will the ID of your SS torch tube be mirror polished or blackened and/or circuited for getting rid of electrons?

Good luck and be careful! I believe you are on the right path.

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2008, 07:39:35 am »
yeah, when you change the temp of something you're definitely changing its frequency.

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2008, 07:55:18 am »
Well, I talked to the machinest today and he can't make the cone shape like I wanted but will make a small verson for me put on at the end of the tubes. That should get my testing to finally see if Meyer's graph data is right, and production goes up sharply. The way I understand it from a science point of view is at the base of the cone the area is the highest, and has the greatest capacitance and weakest magnetic field, and at the tip it has the lowest capacitance and the highest magnetic field. That is why Meyer calls it a wave guide and I think this suits the properties of water just right. For when water temperture changes up or down the resonance frequency changes with it, right? Now this cone shaped will have just the right capacitance somewhere along it's sides of the resonant cavity to keep up with waters ever changing needs. That's my thinking anyway.
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h2opower.

Are you saying make a cone tip on the electrode or the WFC housing?
And if the electrode, would it be on the outer tube or both inner and outer?

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Re: The final step towards running an engine on Hydroxy
« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2008, 11:38:41 am »
These are the frequencys that I will use for this experiment:

656.46 nm  = red
486.27 nm  = blue
434.17 nm = blue-violet
410.29 nm = violet


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Steve

Steve:

Do you know if it is possible to fine tune adjust the nm value of the LED's? Also, will the ID of your SS torch tube be mirror polished or blackened and/or circuited for getting rid of electrons?

Good luck and be careful! I believe you are on the right path.

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the leds are wide banded. Meaning, they go up and down 15nm. When you pulse them, you should hit the right frequency......

i received yesterday my first 40 leds (660 and 440nm)

about the electron extraction...i am still think about what will the best solution

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