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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2008, 04:11:19 am »
I think if we want to replicate John Keely work we need to use sine wave. Or if we want to replicate Tesla / David Gray work we need to use perfect square wave. High voltage should increase the effect. But I guess it's hard thing to achieve.

Would the circuit I post bellow  work for making DC sinewave?
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Just realize that it should have been L3 that has to have more voltage, maybe twice L2 does.

Dale Pond mention Keely may use physical movement to vaporize water instead of sound.  But other literature mention that it use sound:
"A means of acoustically dissociating water, instantly exploding 3 drops to produce pressures up to 29,000 pounds per square inch"

http://www.frank.germano.com/svp.htm

Newer literature mention that we can have high efficiency water electrolysis if we use very high temperature. It mention that water electrolysis at nuclear reactor heat waste is very efiicient, using H2SO4 and temperature of 800 degree celcius.

If we can dissociating water at room temperature with vibration, I think we could get more efficient electrolysis.  I hope it wont instantly burn like salt water microwave (kanzius?)
http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Observations%20of%20polarized%20MRI%20vol%2012%20is%201.pdf
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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2008, 01:05:08 am »
Tad,

I've tried to contact you via email and PM for several weeks now, I would like to replicate your experiments from the late 90's ...
I've searched in vain through sci.energy.hydrogen news groups for your posts....

Can you please provide details for your experiment?


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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2008, 04:06:44 am »
The setup (remembering now 12 years ago) was an inverter I had setup for variable frequency and could only be tuned over a small range. I used adjustable chokes on cathode and anode sides. There is a major problem with this cell setup in that it is leaky as stated by Meyer (which I did not understand at the time). Stan told me "resistance is the key". What he meant by that was that the cell voltage will reach zero too quickly and thus the cell will not stay charged. Adding resistance across the secondary portion of the circuit (cell side) allows less leakage and allows the cell to stay charged and producing H2. If you simply use a brute force method with lots of current at the higher voltages it defeats the purpose of the whole process since we want very tiny amounts of current and only high voltages.

Of course all of this has now been solved by JLN and others and it is a simple matter of following their experiments. I am no longer working on this system for the same reason Meyer dropped it. It is a touchy, frustrating process in which constant control of the pulse parameters MUST be kept or else the cell stops producing gas, and ven then there are much better processes to use. Others have found the same problems and dropped it entirely. It is better to use a plasma and break a water vapor up as it enters the intake of the engine.

The setup below shows a much better way to break water, even though it is not exactly what Stan  was doing with the "Water Plug".


I hope that helps a little. Sorry I have not been around much, I have been trying to feed my family and work on more advanced experiments on the weekends. This leaves me literally NO TIME to respond, or help any further than I have. In fact, one of the reasons I came back to look at some posts was that Dankie was calling me a fraud on multiple experimentation sites. Even though he does not know me nor was he there, nor had he seen the results of these crude, early experiments. Even though my wife told me not to respond and simply let it go, I felt the need to at least defend myself if he was going to be as ignorant about these posts of his. So I will clarify anything I can for you but I will not respond any further if I am going to be continuously a fraud or fake.

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2008, 04:46:23 am »
ted your description is very vauge

what was you approimate

choke size
wire size
core material
tube size  Length,Height,Diameter
and number of tubes

also using that small sine wave generator with the laminated transformer at 42.8khz was their alot of distortion in the output signal

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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2008, 04:58:24 am »
ted your description is very vauge

what was you approimate

choke size
wire size
core material
tube size  Length,Height,Diameter
and number of tubes

also using that small sine wave generator with the laminated transformer at 42.8khz was their alot of distortion in the output signal


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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2008, 05:02:38 am »
ted your description is very vauge

what was you approimate

choke size
wire size
core material
tube size  Length,Height,Diameter
and number of tubes

also using that small sine wave generator with the laminated transformer at 42.8khz was their alot of distortion in the output signal


Do not wait for an answer .

Najman


couldnt have said it any better

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2008, 06:04:57 am »
I sure would remember my working setup ...

I think i would have it tatooed on my back with egyptian letters or some shit ...

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« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2008, 13:24:40 pm »
The setup (remembering now 12 years ago) was an inverter I had setup for variable frequency and could only be tuned over a small range. I used adjustable chokes on cathode and anode sides. There is a major problem with this cell setup in that it is leaky as stated by Meyer (which I did not understand at the time). Stan told me "resistance is the key". What he meant by that was that the cell voltage will reach zero too quickly and thus the cell will not stay charged. Adding resistance across the secondary portion of the circuit (cell side) allows less leakage and allows the cell to stay charged and producing H2. If you simply use a brute force method with lots of current at the higher voltages it defeats the purpose of the whole process since we want very tiny amounts of current and only high voltages.

Of course all of this has now been solved by JLN and others and it is a simple matter of following their experiments. I am no longer working on this system for the same reason Meyer dropped it. It is a touchy, frustrating process in which constant control of the pulse parameters MUST be kept or else the cell stops producing gas, and ven then there are much better processes to use. Others have found the same problems and dropped it entirely. It is better to use a plasma and break a water vapor up as it enters the intake of the engine.

The setup below shows a much better way to break water, even though it is not exactly what Stan  was doing with the "Water Plug".


I hope that helps a little. Sorry I have not been around much, I have been trying to feed my family and work on more advanced experiments on the weekends. This leaves me literally NO TIME to respond, or help any further than I have. In fact, one of the reasons I came back to look at some posts was that Dankie was calling me a fraud on multiple experimentation sites. Even though he does not know me nor was he there, nor had he seen the results of these crude, early experiments. Even though my wife told me not to respond and simply let it go, I felt the need to at least defend myself if he was going to be as ignorant about these posts of his. So I will clarify anything I can for you but I will not respond any further if I am going to be continuously a fraud or fake.

Tad

Thank you for sharing ...