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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2008, 00:00:36 am »
The Ddanvos68 System appears to be a simple variation of the Aqua Fuel Generator Plans as posted on the JNaudin Web Site.
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Earlier I typed up a post refuting this, but I decided to watch the video several more times, and now I'm confused again.

It could be an altered version of the bingofuel.  The sparks in the video are so erratic, it's hard to tell.  The bingofuel video looks like much more UV light coming out.  The resolution of this video sucks, especially on my computer at work.  It looks like instead of the electrodes being fully immersed in all the water, like the bingofuel videos,  maybe there's only a small amount of water exposed to the HV sparking.  Look closely , the bubbles are coming out of one area.  I don't know if this video can be upped in resolution, but it might help.

It's kinda hard to describe unless you watch the video a bunch of times.  There's a lot to see if you watch it multiple times and do some deep thinking.

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2008, 03:16:38 am »
This is Tad. What can I do for you? It looks like there are now quite a few folks that are replicating the Old Meyer system like I did, but with different HV schemes. Looks like it can be done many ways. I just hope these other systems were more reliable than my experiment showed.

This guy is pretty interesting. He seems pretty high strung to be messing with the Meyer stuff but none the less = )

http://www.waterforfuel.com/product4.html

P.S. HV is not 120-500VDC, High voltage that Stan had stated is 600V-10KV. Stan told me he could electrolyze one gallon of water per minute using 10KV of potential. I was only using 1200VDC.

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2008, 09:47:09 am »
This is Tad. What can I do for you? It looks like there are now quite a few folks that are replicating the Old Meyer system like I did, but with different HV schemes. Looks like it can be done many ways. I just hope these other systems were more reliable than my experiment showed.

This guy is pretty interesting. He seems pretty high strung to be messing with the Meyer stuff but none the less = )

http://www.waterforfuel.com/product4.html

P.S. HV is not 120-500VDC, High voltage that Stan had stated is 600V-10KV. Stan told me he could electrolyze one gallon of water per minute using 10KV of potential. I was only using 1200VDC.


Hi Tad,

Welcome to Ionizationx.com!
I hoped for this to happen after the emails from Fiditti and myself to you.
You are as far as i know the whole Waterfuelcell world the only on that ever duplicated Stans work  proper.
As you can see on the forum, we have some guys here who are good researchers, but what we miss is the final link.
Nobody has done what you reported some years ago.
We would like to replicate your setup and see if we also can achieve the 12watts / 3 ltrs production figures.
I know you told that the circuit is pretty unstable, but we have then a point from where we can start developing it.

What we would like from you is a description of what the variables are and which components you used for that.
I know its a lot to ask.....but would it help if i added a "please"?

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2008, 10:06:12 am »
Nice and exciting to have you here Tad . Hope to see you sharing your replication with us.

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2008, 13:24:55 pm »
Ok Tad,

This is what you wrote about your setup:

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1. Pulsing circuit or power supply capable of producing 600+ Volts @ 20Khz+ @ 100uA+. My
system was a simple, off the shelf inverter with an input of 12VDC and an output of 1200VAC
@ 20Khz @ 1mA. I then took this circuit and modified the circuit to run at 42.5-43.0Khz. This
was an off-the- shelf inverter sold by Fry's electronics. It is a neon power supply with a very
small bobbin core transformer. Anyone can buy this circuit or one just like it and modify it to
run within the specs I gave you. The hard part is obtaining resonance which takes years of
electronics expertise to do.
2. A small electrolysis cell with the ability to vary distance between conductors.
3. 2 - Chokes, one adjustable, one fixed.
4. One high voltage diode to go in-line with the cathode of the power supply output.
5. Inductance Meter, Capacitance meter, frequency counter/Oscilloscope, and high voltage
probe.

The key to the Meyer process is resonance, and without resonance the system produces no gas.
At 12 watts you see why no gas is produced without resonance. This is a standard LC resonant
circuit in which you MUST (!) match Capacitive reactance with Inductive reactance. This then
creates an LC resonant circuit in which the two legs of the power supply match in frequency
exactly. A Ham calc make the calculation of resonance easy once you know the capacitance of
the cell and the frequency you are driving it at.

Once you have your inductance calculated you
then buy the proper chokes that fall within the inductance range needed. The adjustable one
needs (obviously) to be tunable within a small range, so that when the cell temperature changes
and causes the capacitance of the cell to change, then the inductance can also be changed to
keep the cell in resonance. If your cell has the ability to vary distance between conductors, then
you simply change the distance and thus change the capacitance of the cell rather than changing
the inductance. You must vary one or the other though. I have found since then that the
capacitance of the cell can be changed and works just as well as the inductors being adjusted.
You don't use ANY electrolyte, you don't want ANY amperage at all, only voltage @
resonance.

REPEAT, YOU DON'T NEED ANY CURRENT FLOW, ONLY VOLTAGE!
What I found frustrating is that the cell temperature would change and the system would stop
making gas. In order to keep the system making gas you constantly have to keep the cell in
resonance, and thus you really need the system to be controlled by a processor, that constantly
checks frequency on both legs and then adjusts inductance to keep the cell in resonance. This is
why Stanley move to the other patents where the spark plus type of electrolysis chamber was
used instead of a large cell. +
With the cell running at 1200Volts @ 1mA @ 42.8Khz I found I could make 200LP/H of gas.
Do the math and you will find that this is impossible given our current understanding of
electrolysis. If you scale this equation up you will find that you can make over 20,000LP/H of
gas for 1200Watts. This is easily enough to run most any Internal combustion engine. The
only problem has been keeping the cell in tune. An alternator will easily produce 3000 watts of
power, so this is easily enough to power the car on this system alone. This is how the
Volkswagen Buggy was running around on water only. The car has to wait a minute or two
before he stored enough gas to run the car, then once it was started and running it would make
enough gas to run the car at up to 60MPH. I never saw this car run personally, but I have two
people that went to two showings and both said it worked and they verified there was no
gasoline on board.


I have here a nice small off-the- shelf inverter sold by Fry's electronics. without load it produces 7kv
See picture!
I do have a HV probe for my scope as well.
And i have tons of Stainless tubes and plates. So i can do whatever i can here.

1.: Is it 42khz a must?
2.: what type of chokes must it be? Please size and turns and wire thickness.
3.: Did you hookup the diode up to the choke, like Stan did? Actually you made a half rectification of the AC voltage from the inverter trafo?
4.: What gapspace between inductors?
5.: any insulation needed for inductors? Why didnt you get a deadshort condition between the 2 legs of the trafo?
6.: I understand LC. But are the inductorplates/tubes the C? And if so, how do you calculate the C. If i hookup my C meter i measure a leaking capacitor. So at the end i cannot say exactly what the capacitance is...How did you measure yours?
7.: Is the end goal a charging from chokes to cell and back. Is that the resonance we are looking for? A DC resonance system?

Hope you want to provide us with this info.

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2008, 14:06:56 pm »
Tad , where did you hear about the frequency needs to be 42 khz ?

i thought this was the larmor frequency and it was a variable depending on the fields strenght ?

google : larmor frequency

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2008, 14:53:54 pm »
Tad,  I've read your post from overunity.com over and over and over.....

Is your setup a parallel LC circuit? 

The reason I ask, is because you emphasize inductive and capacitive reactance must match. 

In my experience when they match in a series circuit you get maximum power transferal at the resonate frequency.
Whereas in a parallel circuit it acts like a bandstop filter which should allow maximum voltage across the water capacitor.

I've wanted to ask this question, along with some of the others listed for a long time, but I don't like to pester people.

Stevie and or Hydrocar, are you ever going to give the details on your HV experiment?  Been waiting patiently.

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Re: HV and hydroxy
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2008, 20:24:00 pm »
Hey tad , like Stevie i am also wondering how you calculate the capacitance of a tap water capacitor... I also measured my tap water but it was 0 capacitance.... a leaking capacitor... how exactly did you calculate yours ?

Did you add a coating so that you could use regular water ? I wanna make this work with regular tap water ...

Also i am wondering why you chose 48khz ???