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oxygen is magnetic when is liquid form
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2019, 21:46:19 pm »
guys i just realised one thing

oxygen is magnetic when its in liquid form

i was thinking about a criogenic way to separate the oxygen from hydrogen at lab conditions and i realised one thing oxygen is magnetic when in liquid form

did we look into cryogenic gases that are magnetic>? regarding the epg?

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Acrylic tube
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2019, 23:26:25 pm »
Im going to buy a piece of 1 meter acrylic tube having 3mm thickness 19mm internal and 25 external diameter... inside of it there are going to be stages of electrodes that are the dc field electrodes

the outside of the tube will have sections damaged with sand paper and paint with conductive paint forming a series of capacitors with respect with the internal electrodes..  the acrylic itself is going to be the dielectric in this case.. of course it could be barium titanate or else if you can... perhaps a smaller tube thickness could be used to increase the capacitance too.. but i think the only thing needed is to get it on resonance with thousands of volts on each section and have a incremental dc step up to get those electrons out

at resonance there's going to be a ac current that will heat up the gas like would heat up a capacitor under resonance, but the effect is that the collapsing field of the vics will give a pretty discharge liberating bunches of electrons... here we get a compromise the best switable material should survive to some heat.. i think a ceramic material would do it.. or maybe aluminum oxide

im going to study how much air flow i have in the engine analysing from the exhaust and try to design thinking of the time it takes for the air to pass thru it and the sequence of pulses..

i have to make some mod to the engine in order to inject the hydrogen inside without touching everything...

any of you guys have one injector to send to brazil?

i would go for the injector just to be able to get the hydrogen inside the engine at or right before explosion time...

i need to get the timing of this engine too... if you could help me with that.. i have a couple of ideas of how to make it but actually any ideas would be great..

i have arduinos and esp8266 and esp32 here around and i can program them easily..  i also have a part of the gms circuit done... one friend from canada send to me some of the cards some time ago but as i lost a bit of contact with them (ronie team) i was cut out... i left it here untouched and unplugged.. but perhaps could be useful if anyone know how i can use it..

many ideas to get on




 

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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2019, 00:07:13 am »
at my generator i have mainly two signals that could be ploted agains each other to find the position of the shaft at any time,,, one is the ac output 60hz may mean that's 60 revolutions per second so the sine wave may have one point that is the intake and so on for the 4 stokes....  since is a single cylinder engine is easy to find.. other signal is the spark signal that is easy to detect... this should be enough info to drive some injectors..

i was thinking that perhaps some parts of the engine could be coated with some insulating material to prevent the gas ions to get discharged before time.. such as valves and head and piston

the more we could cover up the better would be...

could be nice to have a zirconium oxide like material.. something that makes it auto lubricating and insulator at same time..

stan talk about projection of flame changing the injector design... we should look into that..

one idea left is that perhaps the injector was there not even for hydrogen but for the high ionised ambient air! being the hydrogen just let to intake at appropriate time and quantity

Not that i believe this is the case but im thinking about every single possibility


 

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design of the ioniser under development
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2019, 21:40:34 pm »
i found some pieces of older cells and i think im able to use some acrylic tubes pieces along with some ss tube ss rods and most things i already have...

im putting it together and will make a video to explain what im doing

i open the carburettor of the engine today and i think it could be coated with some corona dope to get it electrostaticaly isolate...

a metal cavity have 0 electric field inside so any charge inside of it will be attracted to the sides except if it sits on the exact middle...

that's why i plan to make my ioniser to almost end up at the intake of the engine...

im going to use a silicon tube to bring the ionised air gases inside the carburettor

i think the exhaust gas would be easier to process since its already hot...

My idea is that even holding the engine at high voltage potential reference to ground probably 40kv or more... the metal will be able to discharge part of the ions as soon as it contacts it... specially if inside of it.. .like inside the engine or passing thru carburator.. or any hole...

my cell will have two cells like and also the outside capacitance formed... so i can use any of it like i think is better

i thinking of doing up to 4 stages...

have you ever thought that the 11 cell could be an air ioniser of some sort?

if we had to pass all the air an 1,6 liter engine needs would it pass thru it?



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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2019, 22:02:56 pm »
Steve, how much HHO i would need to run this 2,5kw gen without load ? from your experience on running the bike?

i have lots of ss plates i could build a high output generator.. perhaps a pure hydrogen generator...
you need like 4 liters of hydrogen per minute. So, hho is then a bit more
What i remember with my tests with the serie plates cell, is that the engine ran better with less plates plus a higher voltage (unregulated dc)
then more plates with strait dc and a lower voltage.
The last should have been more electrical efficient. More liters hho per minute.
But the gas was less powerfull then the first smaller cell with higher voltage per cel and with unregulated DC.
Ill guess that that setup was brownsgas.....




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determining the level of ionisation
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2019, 22:19:24 pm »
to evaluate the ionization at each stage there is going to be an amp meter and ac applied across the gas at the resonant frequency of the coils so it will be at maximum current... whenever there is ionised atoms there is going to be current if we apply voltage... it don't even need to be on resonance all that is required is a sensitive mili to micro amp meter to get the ac reading this can be a High value resistor and take the measurements with the dp30k and oscilloscope or a voltmeter... for example for 1kohm 1ma will give 1v

the best way would be to buy cheap analog multimeters and add to the stages to actually see them working...

so all this will be end up in the 40kv range...

i think using about 2kv at first stage just to take most of electrons that will most easily come off than 12kv, 22kv and 42kv 

in this case im planning to make all the air come from  the ioniser...

i also think of a manner to try to use kitchen gas to run the generator so to be able to work with a gas that is cheap and easier to work with than hydrogen... just to get a measure of how much gas and complicated things will get..

i want to keep mostly simple and stupid to be able to do it with less money as possible... unfortunately i have not much time to work on this too because i have to keep my bills paid..

im thinking to get an injector and use a monostable timer to trigger it with the spark signal followed by a delay...

if any you want to help me in this journey i hope we are going to learn a lot with this and at least if it works or not take some relief...

if i could get my hands on a kind of exhaust turbine compressor would be nice too to be able to get the air pressure up at the ioniser leaving the output as small as possible maintaining the flow...


 

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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2019, 22:30:49 pm »
Steve, how much HHO i would need to run this 2,5kw gen without load ? from your experience on running the bike?

i have lots of ss plates i could build a high output generator.. perhaps a pure hydrogen generator...
you need like 4 liters of hydrogen per minute. So, hho is then a bit more
What i remember with my tests with the serie plates cell, is that the engine ran better with less plates plus a higher voltage (unregulated dc)
then more plates with strait dc and a lower voltage.
The last should have been more electrical efficient. More liters hho per minute.
But the gas was less powerfull then the first smaller cell with higher voltage per cel and with unregulated DC.
Ill guess that that setup was brownsgas.....

nice steve, so to get 6 l/m of hho we should need?

for converting one moles of hydrogen from water  we need 55 amps this will give half mole of oxygen and should result around 35 liter per hour so half liter per minute

we would need than around 600 amps to flow;...

assuming series cells we put 20 cells in series and apply 60v at 30 amps should give that amount of gas... rounding a lot...

if each plate has like 15cm by 20cm there is 100ma per centimetre square


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pure hydrogen generator design
« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2019, 23:22:58 pm »
I have just designed a kind of cell separator that can be mounted with two orings and a kind of membrane to keep the hydrogen and oxygen from mixing... it will be made out of epoxy and will have two or 4 water inputs and 2 or one hydrogen and one oxygen outputs...

i need a kind of membrane that when is wet won't allow gas to pass thru so we can take the hydrogen pure...

the idea is to make a kind of hollow frame that i can glue on each other with the membrane in the middle than the frame will already suport the orings for mounting...

the water inputs will be very small to have small cross voltage among cells... allowing for good separation..

im thinking on making the mold with wood and epoxy and try to see if it works... the nice thing about it is that the electrical connections will be made easy and hydrogen will come out pure.. also is a source of pure oxygen!

if it comes out good i can share how i made it with you or you can order some from me to help me and i send them over to u,,,  hope it works first...

any of you have an idea of a membrane that could be used and glued between two epoxy to make a cell separator assembly ?

the higher is the voltage the lower is the consume of amps on the diodes... using series cells seems to be a good way around... diodes consume up to 50% of a low voltage cell design power... the voltage drop on it is significant... thus using series cells would make the power by cell used a good economic way of going ...


this video is very interesting
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