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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2019, 16:16:12 pm »
woke up so well today that im going to work on this!

i will try first with my single cell its a little bit smaller than stan cell and the inner electrode is smaller than outer so its inside

the cavity has two acryilic discs below and above and with 5 small holes for water to get in and gas out respectively

the system has a small tube tank of water where the gas is bubbled and where below water is allowed to get back with no gases mixed

the tubing connecting both is a very thing acquarium silicon tube those blue used for air pumps

you can see this prototype here


one thing i learned from it is that the acrylic disk on top helps making the bubbles to form big and get away... when the cell is on, the pressure inside maintain the water level lower and lower the higher is the voltage applied... so kind of its able to resonante because of this voltage instantly cause displacement since the sizes of the cell !

hope you see what i see.. i never thought of this before but maybe that 2,5khz frequency i heard ringing could be of this action...

therefore all that is needed in this case is perhaps to add a kind of rubber or acrylic with a small hole or holes like what i did and add to the bottom and upper side of your cells to see what im talking about

this become one sort of resonant system

if we think on stan design the tank is inside and the holes are much bigger so perhaps it would resonate like this at higher frequency

but i guess this frequency can be brought down by applying this technic

its pretty much the same thing as a helmholz resonator

interesting but just that..

i will check this again lets see what happens hope to still have some good orings on it otherwise i will have to go to the place get them...

last time i was playing with potassium nitrate the voltage to start any conduction was much higher than with potassium hydroxide.. if i remember well would not conduct up to 2v or so need to find the post i wrote about it ...










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discharging structure
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2019, 07:26:40 am »
i read so many times those patents, im still trying o figure how to discharge the ions without using power... 

i sometimes get back to the idea that electrons in movement are magnetic... so in my view there may be somehow a way to use a permanent magnet to at least direct current flow or keep the flow after power is gone...

i know that electrons in the circuit don't show magnetic behaviour only if it is in movement but somehow perhaps we could trap those electrons in movement using arrangements of coils and permanent magnetic fields...

the idea is to try to make this physical force become an electrical force

this can be accomplished for example with piezoelectric since it will generate a voltage every time force is applied...

https://patents.google.com/patent/CA2347851A1/en?inventor=Christopher+Robert+Eccles



 

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audio amplifier
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2019, 16:27:55 pm »
Hey guys, today is easy to find on eBay audio amplifiers that have up to 420w with a volume button

have you ever tried this to pulse?

im considering buy a couple of different amplifiers and h bridges to test... if you have any experience on that i would like to know thanks (no money to lose with bad components.)

im not sure about how it will behave with the cell but i was thinking of adding a 4 ohm resistor in series with the primary coil because under resonance the z of the primary will get down... but also to get a parallel resistor to limit the maximum impedance it can show...

this should make the amplifier work safe and have a clean output...

https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-1157169903-placa-montada-amplificador-20-110110-220w-rms-caixa-ativa-_JM?quantity=1#reco_item_pos=11&reco_backend=machinalis-seller-items&reco_backend_type=low_level&reco_client=vip-seller_items-above&reco_id=282a18f0-8b27-42af-b0ed-22df127370b7

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Palladium
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2019, 17:09:54 pm »
I was thinking about one thing... if we are using lower voltage and ac we could have some more special ions present that could give catalytic help to make the conversion

for example if we had a palladium salt the palladium ions would not be able to make thru the potential but would be on the surface of the double layer facilitating the adsorption by the electrode..

i have still a solution plenty of it.. so im gonna try it though

i think palladium sulfate would be the best for this for some reason.. i had chloride still worth the shot




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submerging metals
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2019, 17:29:11 pm »
submerging metals in water makes their electrons to go towards its surface and forming a potential depending on the attraction the metal has to its electrons..

for example dropping an aluminum plate on water and a copper there is going to be 1v across them... however the connection of metal metal forms a very low potential barrier of few millivolts

im thinking about using a kind of water shield effect using isolated water bath for each material but connect them in series and than to the cell  to see if perhaps it can lower the barrier

i read another patent claiming that having a scratched metal surface containing two metals would result in low voltage electrolysis.

my best guess is that it will not last forever but what hell lasts for ever?

if you want to donate to help me get this audio amplifiers im planning to get two of the stereo kind...

donations can be done here... i will post videos of what im doing hope you enjoy

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=VWC2JNBWMBKDE&source=url





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lets keep things going
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2019, 19:09:06 pm »
i got this one https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-1283333761-tda8954-210wx2-hifi-amplificador-digital-de-alta-potncia-du-_JM#position=12&type=item&tracking_id=155c2ae3-2b7c-4ad5-9cc8-03e58228ca87 for now , it take a few days to arrive..

my plan is to try oscillating two cells like i explained.. and use their potential agains each other to generate the dc current and gas...

i will use two step down isolating transformers... the amplifier has the amplitude control already build in... 200 w per channel at 8ohm load with 40v i guess... so it can give 5 amps out

not sure if it will be enough.. driving in series is not as simple as is in parallel.. in series you have to deal with the current inline...

in series z goes to zero while in parallel z goes up in resonance..

but in parallel we cannot say if the resoance is electrical or ionic... applying voltage to the capacitor having virtually no inductance would be the desirable situation to detect the resonance... i guess a resistor bridge is what i will use.. to limit the voltage being applied by the supply in the milivolt range to the cell

for this a resistor may be used in parallel with the cell and or another resistor(s) in series... this will limit the voltage applied to the cell

lets say they primary has a 100uh it would be 3,14 ohm at 5khz for example however if the secondary has a short condition it will go even lower and it can damage the amplifier..

so i will try to use series and parallel resistor arrangement to keep the resistance to a minimum predetermined value at the input!...



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Re: submerging metals
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2019, 19:15:33 pm »
submerging metals in water makes their electrons to go towards its surface and forming a potential depending on the attraction the metal has to its electrons..

for example dropping an aluminum plate on water and a copper there is going to be 1v across them... however the connection of metal metal forms a very low potential barrier of few millivolts

im thinking about using a kind of water shield effect using isolated water bath for each material but connect them in series and than to the cell  to see if perhaps it can lower the barrier

i read another patent claiming that having a scratched metal surface containing two metals would result in low voltage electrolysis.

my best guess is that it will not last forever but what hell lasts for ever?

if you want to donate to help me get this audio amplifiers im planning to get two of the stereo kind...

donations can be done here... i will post videos of what im doing hope you enjoy

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=VWC2JNBWMBKDE&source=url

And so i did  ;)
keep up the good work, my friend.

Abou the resonance schematic you posted with the simulator, i can only say that it looks almost the same as the patent of Steve Meyer for that hydrogen fuelstation...
Maybe you should have a look at that.

Cheers
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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2019, 19:49:55 pm »
Thanks so much Steve you are great! its going to help a lot my friend. I will post my advance on this im putting my cells back on working and will do a lot of work on this! i will make more videos showing and explaining my theories and tests! lets hope to find something new!

 Im going to check again his patent to see what you are meaning !

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