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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2019, 18:53:07 pm »
actually i think there can even be other mean for the pump in that system... there were epgs without pump thought

but a fact is that if you have a toroidal magnetic field its self contained and if it move actually is like if there's no cutting of the lines...

that's why i thought about a vacuum (those used for home) than we build a box were the liquid would arrive without going into the pump...


the fact is the momentum of the particles will be transformed into electricity... the higher the speed the higher is the voltage generated so mainly the idea is that the particles must have enough energy to be able to pass thru and beyond the cAPTURING COIL... AND PERHAPS this acceleration can be caused by a pulsing magnet

i think to see any effect in the epg meyer designed it must be multipole.... meaning that all those coils were part of driving and taking the energy out...

i didn't worked much on the epg but from what i see meyer worked in a way to generate very low voltage at high amps for the cell stuff

from what i learned from the refrigeration cycle it seems to me that if we take the ambient heat to drive the epg we can really get kWh of energy if feeding back the energy to produce more but it requires absorbing heat..

basically a refrigerator is a closed system with a gas

the compressor creates a high pressure on one side (condenser) and vacuum on the other side of a capilar tube (evaporator) ...

the capilar tube is key in creating a pressure drop in the system like a resistor would restrict a current flow... when the gas in liquid phase come out of the capilar it evaporate at very low pressure so it get very cold being able to take energy from any hotter source.

when the gas is hot again it get compressed getting even hotter so its able to dissipate energy.. while dissipate energy the gas become liquid phase and pass thru the capilar over and over again

the pressure drop the capilar provides and the condensation (reduction from gas to liquid) is what actually consume the work the compressor did ... the more mass you allow to pass more power will consume...

a turbine could be used instead of the capilar to get the pressure drops instead.. this could allow for regeneration.... 

if the gas was magnetic or liquid a nozzle would create a very high speed jet of gas this high speed could be harnessed i guess









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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2019, 21:56:46 pm »
getting back to meyer patent https://patents.google.com/patent/US5149407A/en

i was reading again over night and i got some info i think i overlooked

first of course he is clearly stating that combustion of ions elongated by electric and electromagnetic energy input will generate decay of atoms giving up thermal energy release in excess...

second he says that water when receive a sequence of pulses will get charged until the covalent bound rupture is reached..

in my opinion there may be two ways of getting to it

one is moderate to high voltage applied only to the inner electrode to stimulate the water resonance

other is low voltage applied across the plates in a series circuit.... he kind of describe it

but talk about the parallel mode.. in achieving resonance in any circuit, as the pulse frequency is adjusted, the flow of amps is minimized and voltage is maximized to a peak.

he kind of include the resonant choke parameters to the cell frequency calculation

different cavities have a different frequency of resonance dependent on parameters of the water dielectric, plate size, configuration and distance, circuit inductors, and the like.

also he is talking about 3 systems by obvious reason

one is the water fuel cell

one is the electron extraction cut ( a grid adjacent to the field source )

one is where the hell the electrons go! i think this he cover up with the ambient reclaim system or perhaps the ionization come to the ambient gas input

he says that the atoms that are not ionised will entrap this extra electrons

as he says there must be missing electrons such that the combustion is not simple covalent bound.

water or some other gas will be consumed during the process.. and will be this decay that will give the excess energy so is clearly straight atomic energy release under controlled state.

he was a hell lot ahead of where we are... we didn't even made the water fuel cell generate like he described... i guess still a long way to get where we need so hard work must be done

my lab is now much more organised and im planing to get my hands on some new materials, some chemicals, some plastics, capacitors, coils and test!

hopefully we are going to get there...

one phrase really makes the whole sense to me... he says thet may never exist current flow across the cell coming from the electrical circuit! this hold my theory that he is actually applying very low voltage or only one pole high voltage to make it oscillate...






 

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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2019, 01:07:49 am »
check this simulation

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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2019, 01:13:07 am »
http://tinyurl.com/y5ktc4xv

this link is easier

you see 12v square wave into two step down 20:1 with resonance in series

so applying 600mv gives up to 2v across each capacitor on resonance... or more depending on the loading choke

at right you see the diodes and choke that tune to the dielectric properties..

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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2019, 01:19:47 am »
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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2019, 04:31:27 am »
http://tinyurl.com/y5ktc4xv

this link is easier

you see 12v square wave into two step down 20:1 with resonance in series

so applying 600mv gives up to 2v across each capacitor on resonance... or more depending on the loading choke

at right you see the diodes and choke that tune to the dielectric properties..

That scope shot looks a lot like what at least one type of cfl puts out - at 28 KHz.

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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2019, 13:20:53 pm »
the main idea is that each capacitor is at resonance... in this test they are all phase coherent, so when  their voltages sums up they are able to discharge on the coil thru the diodes...

this is just the idea of the principle.. im not sure what's going to happen.. .

my idea is that since we are putting a very small voltage on the system this voltage without getting resonance is not even able to make thru the diodes.. so

there nevertheless occur amps flow across the capacitor this will only happen if we make the voltage grow without passing over 1.23v

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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2019, 00:05:55 am »
So far the simulation show the situation for real capacitors

the water cell is not a ideal capacitor is a resonant cavity as meyer proposed... this means that the charges inside of it are able to be accelerated by the the slightest voltage field available...

perhaps is necessary to have a higher voltage superimposed to it for some reason..since meyer says that electrons are ejected from the bath.

im starting to think that is not needed at all except for ionisation and further progress of technology

the fracture cell uses high voltage and claim to be generating monoatomic hydrogen and oxygen

another patent that cited eccles patent says that eccles certainly had to have some way to discharge the ions to prevent the screening of charge also talk about tay he han patent too so another citation ( i don t remember the name of the inventor was the patent using pbn material instead of barium titanate as tay he

so if we have the plates inside the water it become clear that we don't need much of voltage since we have not a drop of voltage

eccles citate stan and says his system is expensive because he use chokes instead of just plastic to restrict the current flow..

well my best guess is a mix of high volt applied to this resonant cavities that will generate gas and heat at the same time as result ionised atoms will result and bang

the only statement that really makes no sense is that he never apply a oposite polarity across the cell and this turns the resonating thing kind of impossible with a closed circuit

my best exit to it is to create a sort of bias such that it will maintain a dc kind of field

well im about to do this tests really soon.. i need to put my 11 cell back on working so i need to probably buy some orings... planing to go there soon get them

im really interested in seeing any of you trying what i suggested

a step down 30:1 applying 12v to the primary the primary may have 30 turns and secondary one turn

than a choke with 18 turns of 18awg wire on each side of the cell (1 inch diameter air core)

no diodes yet

across the primary you may want to have a resistor and tvs for protection

for example if you pulse the primary and it reach 5 amps the discharge path must have a resistance or limit that won't let your switch burn so for a 1200v igbt i would use 200 ohms so it would peak 1000v instead i rather use a combination of resistors and tvs so they can share the peak without consuming much power
 
pulsing this system off resonance is like having no energy dissipated on the secondary so its a problem getting away with some of the energy in the primary

instead of pulsing we could apply a square wave or use a half bridge to test different situations

i guess a H bridge is ideal and i would like to buy one made professionally

to get the resonance reading we only need an amperage meter

if you get the water to resonate it will go to up in a readable manner

it may be very sharp band width

perhaps a precision of a few hertz if its in the kHz range.. this makes somewhat difficult to detect resonance so using an oscilloscope to see the wave form response to the pulsing may be a very good idea... you could plot the current using a small resistance and voltage directly since the low voltage on secondary
 
when all we get the water to resonate with the above circuit we can start playing with the diodes and how to use this water fuel cells as a power source

i found something in this patent i was talking about meyer that is the ecc grid is adjacent to the field zones and is referenced electrically to the positive electrode and guess what i don't think its submersed