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Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« on: August 19, 2019, 09:56:48 am »
A coil is equivalent of mass in a mechanical resonant circuit... Meyer explains that restricting amps is possible to apply voltage fields to the water. To make water resonate by closing the circuit and appliing ac is not hard but it will generate a high current flow.

Is a long time i feel it this way but it seems like if we get a coil of certain size its going to have enough mass to resonate with water spring constant... However from what i see from stan legacy he clearly stated the coils are on both sides of the water cell. This mean he is using the fields of the coils just like if each coil resonate with each plate separetely. However to let the circuit to receive the electric force it indeed need to be a closed circuit. Here is where the resistance come into play. If we have two coils maybe on the same transformer and on both sides of he cell the cirqt.can be closed on the other side by a resistor... This resistor would allow some current to flow but basically it will allow each side of the cell to receive an electric field restricted in amps so is possible to resonate the cell and perhaps apply from the other sode a min dc to start the spliting...
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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2019, 09:59:50 am »
The resonance involved on the coils must match water resonant frequency to maximize the effect of course. 

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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2019, 16:01:48 pm »
I came up with a circuit where it generates an ac resonance on cois and at water only dc current can flow and each pulse recharge the dc source partialy... 

3 coils of same lenght form primary and two chokes so the chokes have twice the dc voltage when sumed ... Perhaps it could also be step down dow to 3:1 or maybe 5:1 this will change the frequency of the dischare pulse... During pulse on the chokes charge the cell and the batery and durinh discharge the cell and dc source receives again another pulse..

I designed a simple regenerative clamp too to get rid of the primary energy

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2019, 16:43:25 pm »
If the primary is bigger than c1 and c2 sumed it will be a step down this mean that during pulse on it should only apply voltage field but not current since the voltage wont be able to overcome the source potential. And during the discharge pulse because of the collapse voltage can grow many times higher and thereto cause the charging... If we could combine 2 or 3 circuits of this in parallel and off phase it would be the equivalent of the vic synch pulse circuit and crossover option..
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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2019, 17:40:26 pm »
That's a good looking circuit, Fabio.  Right now I'm a little short on oven diodes.  I ordered a bag of 40 from China but they turned out to be counterfeit; not one of them will charge a cap.  I downloaded your circuit diagram for future reference.  Thanks for sharing it.

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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2019, 09:01:44 am »
I came up with a circuit where it generates an ac resonance on cois and at water only dc current can flow and each pulse recharge the dc source partialy... 

3 coils of same lenght form primary and two chokes so the chokes have twice the dc voltage when sumed ... Perhaps it could also be step down dow to 3:1 or maybe 5:1 this will change the frequency of the dischare pulse... During pulse on the chokes charge the cell and the batery and durinh discharge the cell and dc source receives again another pulse..

I designed a simple regenerative clamp too to get rid of the primary energy
Nice Fabio!
I am curious if this raises efficiency  :)

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Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2019, 09:10:44 am »
A coil have some characteristics that make it more inductive or more conductive... If we reduce the coil to a linear segment of wire we see that the more crossection of copper the greater will be the conduction and lower the voltage drop for dc...

A capacitor should have zero field outside, thats because the positive and negative charges are alligned in two planes and so between the plates the field sum and out they subtract...

The greater is the dielectric the higher will be the charge for the same voltage...

Now how this apply to a coil?

How do we design a coil to have the most electric charge on its end points for the same voltage applied to it?

If we add a magnetic material to the coil it increase the inductance... This increase the energy the coil would carrie for the same amps flow. However like a capacitor it would need more charge to make the same energy... The lower is a capacitor the higher will be the energy per unity of charge..  A coil reversely will have more energy if more amps flow and the lower the inductance more amps can flow.


To create the high fields we need for stimulating water cell resonance only with fields wr are going to need a resonant tank to be able to have the coils to be polarized with real energy not only the flux... I think the amps are important. Var

I guess if the amps are not flowing the voltage alone wont do much....

So here it goes...

How do we design a coil to have most of its electric field useable and not only closing in itself like a capacitor?

My first guess is that it must have the ends of the coil far from each other

The coil former must be thick isolation or even air or vaccum, oil etc

The thickness of the wire seems to be important to make the coil work cold...

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The coil terminations must go into water and must not have other ways for electric field to cut ways

The resistance or capacitancr that may close the resonant tank forms a voltage drop allong the circuit this will restrict the amps and at the same time make the cois termination to have the electric field according with the current flowing...


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Milivolt electrolysis
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2019, 18:21:24 pm »
I was thinking and thinking over and over again and my conclusion is that we are looking at meyer resonance in the wrong way...

The main problem with electrolysis is the rate of production and the minimum voltage required to make the ions disharge

The water cell is not only a capacitor... Its actually a resonant cavity full of water ions...

This mean that its a resonant circuit in itself and has a characteristic frequency that is dependent on ion concentration temperature and pressure

This mean that when we apply the smallest possible signal to it at the right frequency it will peak like if it were a parallel resonant circuit so current should drops, peaks or get out of phase or in phase..

If we apply a fixed voltage to a parallel resonant circuit it will only have that maximum voltage that is being applied and current reading going toward zero is the only way to see the peak of resonance frequency..

Thats why anyone saw anything until now is hard to see any current variation if you are already over 1.24v

 In series circuit you apply a fixed voltage across the components voltage can rise with current..the z tends to zero. Meyer clearly stated he used series resoanance meaning that he was applying low voltage to get current and voltage peak but why to do that? How low can be the cell z? Well it seems to me he used one series resonance applying milivolts to get the cell ions resonance to match to the electrical resoanance of the choke, input and cell capacitance  and at same time apply dc over it... Some will be lost power since will generate a magnetic field on the choke... Dc must be pulsed for that reason

The dc may be the gate signal another low voltage signal . thats why it may be a full wave bridge rectifier or another way to generate low voltage with very high current ability perhaps a very big welding transformer pulsed with 0.5 hz