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Video discussion/explanation of Stan's VIC
« on: July 13, 2019, 19:54:08 pm »
Just explaining my research on one aspect of the VIC.

One problem we've all had is getting voltage to our cells. If you build a VIC to match Stan's you have to gap the core, just like Stan did.

The problem is once you gap the core you introduce a high leakage inductance to the VIC which causes it to have very poor voltage regulation.

So, when you connect the VIC to your cells and pulse the primary coil with 7.8V like I did your voltage across the cell should be 52V (because of the step up transformer) but instead you get 2V across it. This is because of the poor voltage regulation of the VIC.

So what does it mean?
As my measurements show it takes a load impedance greater than 1M ohm to get the full 52V across it when pulsed at 10kHz.

The chokes are not large enough to produce even 100k Ohms impedance at 10kHz.

The high impedance is required to begin to see any appreciable voltage across the cell so where does that impedance come from?

Ronnie stated several years ago you have to get current flowing through the cells first. Once you do you'll begin to produce basic electrolysis.

The gas bubbles produced by electrolysis, many of which stick to the electrodes from tension and electric field forces actually reduce the surface area of the electrodes.

In a previous video I showed that if you reduce electrode surface area by 1/2 while maintaining the same gap the resistance between the electrodes will double.

So, as the gas bubbles form on the electrodes the surface area is reduced which increases the resistance between the electrodes.

As this begins to occur the voltage of the cells starts to increase. Then and only then can you tune into resonance and get the voltages in the kV range.


Let me know what you think.

More to come...

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Re: Video discussion/explanation of Stan's VIC
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2019, 08:29:43 am »
Youre presentation and explanation look and sound good, but.....
There should be some explanation other than having "no adverse effects on the cell" when using water other than distilled such as " rain ,sea,or snow".

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Re: Video discussion/explanation of Stan's VIC
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2019, 10:53:59 am »
Thanks.

As far as Stan's claims go he talks differently in his lectures and interviews than what he stated in his paperwork. He states in his early patents that the cells have to be flushed out from time to time. Also in one of the videos where he was talking to visitors he mentioned "rinsing it out like bath water".

In addition to that his TB shows the use of an electrostatic water filter... which can be seen on his video from 1992 and it matches the drawing in the TB perfectly.

If you look at the math on the VIC, calculate the turns ratio and impedance ratios and you'll find the VIC was designed for the cell to have a minimum resistance of around 270 ohms. I think its likely that yes you could use any type of water but the problem is the contaminates don't leave with the gases so no matter what you use it has to be filled and periodically rinsed out.

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Re: Video discussion/explanation of Stan's VIC
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2019, 19:12:56 pm »

Part 2 goes more in depth and provides scientific references.

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Re: Video discussion/explanation of Stan's VIC
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2019, 23:11:18 pm »
Hello AdrianK.
Thank you for all the effort you are doing in this area, sharing your experiments, you had made a intensive research on that.
Sadly, some theories from Ronnie (yes, theories, not proven facts) may not work in the pratice.
If we make some little amp leakage through the cell we get little tiny bubbles, but once the gas starts to be produced at higher rate (does not matter if on kilovolts or plain electrolysis) the bubbles leave the surface.
You can do a simple experiment with an analog ammeter  and the cell with DC, or pulsed, there is no significant increase on resistance to achieve this goal.
Is just my opinion about that.

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Re: Video discussion/explanation of Stan's VIC
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2019, 01:29:39 am »
Thanks for the comments X-Blade.

Your right, one gas starts being produced at a higher rate it leaves the surface. My theory is that once the initial conditions are met and the system goes into resonance another phenomenon occurs, the cell moves away from being an electrochemical cell and becomes an electric double layer capacitor.

I've had the theory on the double layer for a long time now and discussed it at length on open- source- energy with user Farrahday years ago.

If you can get the cell to behave like a double layer capacitor a good argument can then be made about how the system works and still complies with scientific law...I'll cover my theories on that in a later video.

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Re: Video discussion/explanation of Stan's VIC
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2019, 09:19:43 am »
Thanks for the comments X-Blade.

Your right, one gas starts being produced at a higher rate it leaves the surface. My theory is that once the initial conditions are met and the system goes into resonance another phenomenon occurs, the cell moves away from being an electrochemical cell and becomes an electric double layer capacitor.

I've had the theory on the double layer for a long time now and discussed it at length on open- source- energy with user Farrahday years ago.

If you can get the cell to behave like a double layer capacitor a good argument can then be made about how the system works and still complies with scientific law...I'll cover my theories on that in a later video.

My compliments for the great videos. I really mean that.
You did all the math and i think you might be right here. I remember what Ronny said about starting with electrolysis.
There are two points here which i want to put on the table.
1. If you are able to go from a water filled capacitor to an air or gas filled capacitor, then for sure that has an impact on voltage and capacitance
2. I did and all of you, propably, tests with our cells. What happend is that the higher you go in volts, the higher in amps you will pull.
Its very simple. Voltage = resistance times amps. Higher voltage , same resistance, higher amps
That threshold goes up to around 90V orso. Depends on the cell.
If you go higher in volts, then the amps doesnt go higher, as it seems some kind of limit to it...
I also found out that hydrogen is very very very higly conductive.
That would contradict with the Ronny theory as plain water is way less conductive at the start.

The Herman Andersson setup however, does support your and Rons theory as it uses pulsed low voltage with high amps and High voltage bursts low amps.
Same for one of the Horvarth setup.

I think that you should try to run electrolysis on your little cell and raise the voltage from zero to 600 volts, pulsed..  Then make a graph of the amps draw over the spectrum.
Remember Stan had informed a guy , i believe in Switserland or so, and that guy wrote that he had confirmed Stans technology witha very tiny cell...
Maybe big cells are not working with this technology.

Keep on doing the great work! Looking forward to your next videos, Adriank.

Cheers
Steve




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Re: Video discussion/explanation of Stan's VIC
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2019, 16:57:14 pm »
Thanks for the compliments Steve, I appreciate it.

I have tried applying 4kV on a small set of electrodes and your right, even with distilled water the current is so high that it drags the voltage down and the cell only sees about 80V if I remember correctly.

I have a lot more to share and more testing coming up.