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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #296 on: January 22, 2019, 13:36:46 pm »
ok from what you have said you have a series circuit, a coil with a DC resistance of  100ohms (dc) and a load of 200ohm resistor.   And 400v assume  this is DC Kirchhoff  ok  total DC resistance in the circuit is 300ohms.
So 400/300 = 1.3amps in the circuit.  So then take the load  200ohms X 1.3 amps = 260V  this is the volts dropped across the load resistor.   Again the coil has a DC resistance of 100ohms so 100 x 1.3 = 130V dropped across the coil.   Load Watts 1.3 x 260 = 338W dissipated in the load. 130v x 1.3 = 169w dissipated in the coil.   
Total watt in the circuit then is 507W.
Now on applying the  400v the coil will take time to for the current to build up to the full current, to get to 63% of the total the time period is noted as T time constant. This is found by the coils inductance L in henneries / DC resistance, this in seconds.  Then multiply this by 5 and the current would then be at its maximum of 1.3amps.
Now if it is AC power then this is a new story
You will need the F, coils reactance yes you said 100ohm reactance and the DC resistance of 100ohms I do not think that would be correct. I mean the DC resistance of 100ohms.
XL =100ohms so the inductance with the frequency of 50hz and 400V
Inductance will be 218.31milli henneries.   Now for a coil to have 100ohms DC resistance for such a small value of inductance I do not think is possible. 
   
 


 R100ohms              L 318.31mH

F50hz

Impedance Z 141.421 Ω

Phase φ    45  degree


So you see there is a lot more in it if it is or has Frequency involved pulse DC is diferent.

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #297 on: January 22, 2019, 15:36:48 pm »
your correct my numbers were a bad example... but that is the idea..

i remembered i have some magnetic wire here but is not insulated.. is a little bit of a problem to wind it up without a varnish or something to get it fixed..

ii think non of most how tried this wires had the knowledge to do any real test with it regarding the efficiency of the magnetic field over it me included ... however i gained some more background and maybe today i can do better

i have done one coil of it long time ago but dindt gave much atention on it because of the huge voltage drop

i think i can give it a try.. i will probably wind it up on a ceramic coil former to handle any heat

simply a primary and the coil as secondary and some real measurements...

i think the mass of iron wire will be important to relate to the power it can handle in terms of magnetic field..

my best guess is that high voltage would be high desirable since it would have lower current and higher mass of wire... but it depends on thickness..

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« Reply #298 on: January 22, 2019, 15:55:40 pm »
all you are gooiing to make is a glorified heater and no use for any think else  what are you tring ro acheive ?  it sound mor like risistance wire that magnic wire  the term magnetic wire is use loosly by some people as winding wire as the term sugests iin a coiill format it make an electro magnetic.   

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« Reply #299 on: January 22, 2019, 15:59:52 pm »
all you are gooiing to make is a glorified heater and no use for any think else  what are you tring ro acheive ?  it sound mor like risistance wire that magnic wire  the term magnetic wire is use loosly by some people as winding wire as the term sugests iin a coiill format it make an electro magnetic.

yes is resistive wire, but its magnetic... nickel iron...

you may be right that its going to be a magnetic heater.. my questioning is how good will it heat and how this energy will reflect to the primary because the wire is magnetic itself .. my hope is to verify that the wire will cancel the magnetic reaction field  with the induced field in the wire magnetic domains..

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« Reply #300 on: January 22, 2019, 16:03:25 pm »
Magnet wire is also called winding wire. There are a number of film insulation types ranging from temperature Class 105 to Class 240. Each film type has its own unique set of characteristics to suit specific needs of the application

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nickel iron. is not magnetic it is used for making heater elements  and no a coil of wire no mater what it is made of will have some inductive capacity it is and can be magnatied as it has iron in it so when you form a coil with it it may retain some residual manetic properties.

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« Reply #301 on: January 22, 2019, 16:08:59 pm »
i have some different types here that i got from a heat elements factory... they gave me some bobins that were finishing... there may be some left to test.. they stick to a magnet very well

i think is worth the shot just to see how this resistance coils work now that i have some good testing equipments...


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« Reply #302 on: January 23, 2019, 04:08:37 am »
i´m starting to think that temperature may be one big factor in hydrogen gas on demand production... after all electrolysis is an endothermic process and so adding heat to it lower the needed energy to achieve separation ..

maybe if its possible to generate the hydrogen and oxygen separetely in a vessel at high temperature and pressure to not allow to boil... than the energy of the pressurized gas can run turbines that convert the pressure and temperature to electricity that is feedback into the system...

there is a lot of energy available here to catch because it only limited to the pressure you can achieve and flow of gas.. it would allow generation of high amount of hydrogen at cheap cost as its regenerating its own electricity from the pressure..

we know that temperature is pure vibration and the higher is the vibration amplitude more far away and close together the base components of matter get... everything hot emits infrared... mirrored surfaces form a cavity ... however water have some different frequencies happening at the same time,

les say we want to produce 1,1kg of hydrogen per hour and that you consume 100w per mole of hydrogen... around 500 moles to get 1kg  so you need around 55kw of consume per hour...

if you take this 1,1kg from around 10 liters of water you have 10kg of mass that is going to be turned into gas expansion plus of course the evaporated water from the heat so lets say in one hour we also evaporate another 10 liters of water....

so you have a mass of 20kg to flow in one hour at the pressure you allow it to get

here is where it gets interesting because is a matter of charging the system up and when it reach the required pressure it will be able to generate its own power or perhaps part of it or maybe even more... depends only on the pressure you allow it to get...

stan has a patent on it called the hydrogen electrical generator or something like..

so here he is not worried about efficiency so much only about making lot of gas with small electrodes and use the product as source of energy

how much power you can generate with 20kg for example...

E=m*g*h so if you would use gravity you could have 200joule for each meter of high

if we use speed it get interesting

E=m*v^2/2
so if the speed is very high (pressurized gas coming out) the energy is high

so 20 kg times a speed of say 100m/s is 100kJ that is equivalent to 27w in one hour but if you increase this speed say 1000m/s you have now 2,777 kw of power... it increase with the square of the velocity of the gas... so you can simply add more mass or more pressure to increase the power... increasing to 5000m/s you overcome the 55kw and theres 15kw spare and we could go further as it only depends on the turbine configuration..

this is kind of rocket science but a turbine would work perfectly to get this energy efficiently converted

water expand 1800 times when converted to vapor... and some more when converted to hydrogen and oxygen but the vapor contract when get cold to reform water and hydrogen cant do this nor oxygen...

if we wereto compare this system with a electrical system... how could we use it to develop energy?

normally pressure is associated with voltage and current to a flow

the mass of the electrons flow is the kinetic energy and the resistance the drag

so if we could add more electrons for the same pressure we would be creating power... is not so simple as it flows it will create a voltage drop and if the circuit is not electrostatic it will create a reaction at the input that will consume power..

we saw in the example that the energy increase with square of the pressure... the thing is how can we speed up this electrons so they can emit more magnetic field than it received?

in a system of pressure you would reduce the holes to get the gas to be ejected at higher speed.. it increase the pressure further however

this would be the equivalent of a transformer as you put more wire it will increase the voltage but reduce the current proportionally...

when we apply the voltage to determined material the speed of the electrons will depend on the amount of free electrons to flow and the crossection of the material.

the greater the resistance the higher is the speed of the electrons so the higher is the dissipation of heat as the energy of the electrons increase with voltage squared.. thats because the electrons keep colliding with atoms and giving off the kinetic energy to heat..

when electrons move at a changing speed however they create an inductive coupling field

at willian barbat patent he describe that he could amplify energy by using low mass electrons to be accelerated to higher speeds and amplify energy in his aparatus...

he basically say that the inductive force (emf) will make the lower mass electrons have a greater acceleration as they have the same charge but lower mass and so will make a greater induction power to exert on other coils in the system ...

also in that patent he says that magnetic field does not consume power as it is perpendicular with the direction of the force..





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