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Something about Tay he han
« Reply #280 on: January 14, 2019, 13:23:12 pm »
I remembered something i read on a patent about generating hydrogen with high voltages that they mention that tayhe patent should have had the same mechanism to avoid the screening of the charge..SOME WAY TO DISCHARGE THE IONS.. the thing is something that allow a capacitor to keep attracting the ions and discharging them without discharge the capacitor ITSELF
they talk about shield in the patent and refer to another patent,,, anyone want to look and help us decifrate it?

the say is a special structure that allow it to happen

found it https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100126846A1/en




in attachment you see the graph with a bigger range of data...

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #281 on: January 14, 2019, 23:32:42 pm »
my prediction is that as voltage rises the current will rise linear only up to a point than it will start to have a limit so its increasing resistance again and should goes to infinity again....

how many amps is required to saturate the electrolyte to reach this point?

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« Reply #282 on: January 15, 2019, 04:16:47 am »
i study some more about charging by induction... i found one interesting point....

a bifilar coil can be interpreted as a coil that will cancel the electromagnetic field if it is connected in series... so it should not induce into each other a voltage since they have opposite magnetic fields...

this leave only one aspect evident... if the coils were indeed very resistive what would happen?

well there would be a high voltage across the coil if some current flow ...

imagine a bifilar coil one of them cut in the middle and connected thru a resistor high value... if you apply a current to it will develop high voltage on the coil ends...

now comes the interesting part

the other bifilar coil will receive the electrostatic force from the coil having a high potential difference across its ends and should develop a potential difference opposite to that inducing it... but should not have  electromagnetic induction...

i never saw it this way because i was only looking at the electromagnetic not at the electrostatic point of view

if we have a vic with 3 coils one bigger in the middle and two that cancel the electromagnetic field of the middle in series 1:2:1 separeted by diodes you wont have 0 volts out because of the capacitances will charge

i´m planing to use a tube diode as a electron extraction device in a future...


i also made some workings with drawing double bifilar coils

to use one with lose end and the other isolated to act to charge by induction... one portion of the coil must be in contact with the other coil to maximize the capacitance and so the effect but it may have segments to cancel its electromagnetic field

hope to have confused most not interested



 
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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #283 on: January 16, 2019, 13:42:14 pm »
i think the pseudocapacitance i mention the other day wont happen much on stainless steel ... but the double layer will be there...

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #284 on: January 17, 2019, 07:30:31 am »
hey

i was looking again into  the techbrief and i found something very interesting that most of us may have overlooked

is about the steam resonator and stan call it "differential voltage waveguide"

first
the steam resonator signals can be done exactly the same with the fracture cell circuit inverting what frequency is the higher... so it creates two independent packets of variable pulsewidth alternately or alternate pulsewidth with gate between (if i remember well)

second
the pulse goes to the water one at a time thru a diode and primary of one choke set... the other plate in this set receiving the pulse is connected to ground thru  the secondary from other choke set the water in the case work as if it were the source of electrons for the positive pulse so meyer states that the plate will by skin effect conduct the waveform til the end and perhaps return at a resonant frequency but the wave will try to get to water but the secondary of the other choke set will not allow electrons to come in easily but will just be just enough for the wave to reach and effect water   

third
the pulses may come from a flyback configuration because he mention in one drawing that change the pulse amplitude and it may be the most efficient way to do that ... so each electrode set receive a sequence of positive pulses than the other receives ... notice that while one electrode receive a sequence of positive pulses the other on the other set receive ac and perhaps a second positive pulse derived from this ac depending on choke polarity( need to look into)

i found in a document something about skin effect saying that whatever current that is not straight dc must be considered as a surface current (check into that)

the fact is that the way he arrange the circuit with two transformers is even possible to ad dc bias to the thing and here the things get interesting because all is needed is a diode and coil for each set...

he says that he is moving the molecules but he is moving everything inside and should not consume power since they are going in and out... however if you see the dc there you see that is not only heat he is doing with it!

he claims the water molecules will move because the polarization but i think it can only create a high pressure zone, but the atoms including the oxygen inside the molecule will become polarized.. and i think this is the point..

meyer put in the tech brief an equation that i solved in the university time that is the voltage as function of a charge and it tells how is the potential decay due to a point charge in a dielectric medium

it can be calculated for a sphere to with easy.. for cyclinders it require some assumptions.. but the point is if you charge an electrode to high voltage there is charge in it and so you set up a potential gradient at the dielectric around it

if there is another plate at a distance it will have a capacitance and so this plate will be at a little lower potential because the dielectric is not charged yet... but there is this potential.. if the plate is allowed to receive electrons the stress on the dielectric increase but the dielectric is indeed polarized by the charge of the 'high voltage"


i think this is the way to exite the current flow...somehow 



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magnetic wire
« Reply #285 on: January 17, 2019, 08:05:12 am »
the magnetic wire..

Stan in new zealand seems to be very careful with his words because he new there was someone there working on hydrogen too... when he was ask about the resistance wire he say he has got both ways but he is very very much trying to escape from the question

i was thinking some more as usual and the magnetic wire tests i did in italy came back in mind... and i thought of something.. if the wire is magnet the magnetic permeability may be around 200 or less or more... it will work like a nucleus of the transformer and form an opposite magnetic field that attracts the original field by one side... by the other side if a small current flow it wont dissipate much power.. but if this current is at very high voltage and it create perhaps less magnetic reaction to the primary it could be used as a power amplifier! (just guess) perha´ps

i think we should use some and take real measurements to see if can indeed amplify the power if well used or not..

the type i used in italy i never found again

but i think we could use galvanized steel wire with polyetilene coating ...  easy to find for many applications..

i found some here but is 2mm thick with the coating .. is used for holding telephone cables on the streets..

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #286 on: January 17, 2019, 11:53:44 am »
magnetic wire is NOT magnetic it is just insulated copper winding wire  just the terminology, it could be aluminium  coated or copper coated but it is winding wire.
Aluminium may have a difference in its resistance to copper.
this may have been a way that Stan use to throw some of the real information, he has done this  from what I have seen of his documents.

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #287 on: January 17, 2019, 12:01:55 pm »
There is also something else that others have tried to do with three different frequencies.
On reason hydrogen has one natural resonant frequency, so does oxygen, harmonic frequencies can also play a part. So if you can get a common frequency to satisfy all these it would certainly vibrate the water molecules.