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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #272 on: January 11, 2019, 17:10:04 pm »
just did some tests here

the cell is runing with

5,5v* 8a = 44w

5.5v/8a = .68 ohm

the electrolyte is a mix of potassium nitrate and hydroxide after a few days it dont make much foam anymore and at 2 volts its giving me 200ma so 10ohms resistance at 2.27v the resistance drops to 2.27ohms and is equal to 1 ohm at 2.62v

330w input power to the variac so 286w  is becoming heat at the variac the stepdown transformer and diode bridge and electrolytic capacitors...

i also have a fan cooler to help the step down coils to cool down faster it consumes 4w

basically

what we need to start testing for good is what i just set up here

watt meter on the input of power supply
amps meter in series with the cell
oscilloscope across the cell

other things that can be used

termometer and cronometer or some arduino implementation to monitor the temperature rise as function of the cell water mass to determine how much power became heat on water
peak amp meter at the input of the pulsing transformer or oscilloscope
scale to check for water consumption (given it has enough precision and your cell is light weight to put over it)  (or run enough time to get lot of water consume for it can  measure)
closed environment with cold walls to help condensate and determine the evaporation as function of water temperature and gas evolution
other implementation is a coulombs meter (can be implemented on arduino or labview) or use a calculator and rms amp meter.. this would indicate the mass of hydrogen generated for every faraday or 96500coulombs 1g is generated of hydrogen and 8 grams of oxygen 1 coulomb is 1 amp flow for 1 second

1 faraday capacitance is 1 amp * 1sec / 1 volt

 i made a graph of the situation of my cell check on the attachment




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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #273 on: January 12, 2019, 01:36:46 am »
in this simulation http://tinyurl.com/ybxnqhtn

 i could determine that a step down of 1:3 to 1:5 is all that is required to get overunity with a 10mohm resistor representing the cell.. the only important thing to notice is the collapse of the transformer...

another thing to notice is the duty cycle... i found that if you add more duty cycle over 50% it will start to step up

this transformer has 300uh primary and 99% coupling on simulation

at 50% it wont get build up but if you increase the duty cycle the power start to increase...

i think because of two things

one the time increase will allow more current to get in

and the lower discharge time will not let it to full discharge so the discharge and input interact

it seems to me all we needed to do were to look what was neeeded

1:3 step down with movable core
variable voltage source
high amps diodes
high voltage relay
frequency generator
watt meter
amp meter
electrolyte
cell
and the right frequency

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #274 on: January 12, 2019, 05:48:55 am »
The increase in the PWM  to say 80/20  instead of 50/50 will give the coil more time to get to its full charge.
If say at 50/50   at T at the 63% was only 1ma then at the 80/20  the current is now more than 1ma it has had more time to charge. There would also be a bigger negative discharge when the voltage stops.   
Could you please measure the DC resistance across the anodes not a calculation?
Take note of the amount of KOH that you put in, so to get a % against the water volume in you cell.
You need to know the DC resistance and the Capacitance it may be in the pf range.   

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #275 on: January 12, 2019, 19:15:08 pm »
The increase in the PWM  to say 80/20  instead of 50/50 will give the coil more time to get to its full charge.
If say at 50/50   at T at the 63% was only 1ma then at the 80/20  the current is now more than 1ma it has had more time to charge. There would also be a bigger negative discharge when the voltage stops.   
Could you please measure the DC resistance across the anodes not a calculation?
Take note of the amount of KOH that you put in, so to get a % against the water volume in you cell.
You need to know the DC resistance and the Capacitance it may be in the pf range.

the vales in the table are actual values not calculated... i applied a dc voltage and measured the current... the calculation is just to get the ohms value

i have searched some and i think the capacitance value of the cell is not so small...at least at low volts...  if you consider the double layer capacitance you find that its very very big and there is also another capacitive effect called pseudocapacitance and its 100x greater than the double layer capacitance... because of this i´m starting to believe the water has a very big capacitance indeed... perhaps from mili to faraday range




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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #276 on: January 13, 2019, 09:08:08 am »
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 09:42:48 am by sebosfato »

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electron multiplication MCP
« Reply #277 on: January 13, 2019, 09:55:43 am »
microchanel plate is a sort of material consisting of micropores that allow electrons to come on one side and be multiplied by effect of a voltage applied passing thru it...

well you may be imagining what i´m thinking

the idea is.. if we could have such material separating the cell it would work as a gas separator and perhaps electron multiplier so water may become the source of the electrons?

http://www.dmphotonics.com/MCP_MCPImageIntensifiers/microchannel_plates.htm

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2016JA022580

still about the simulation at 50% duty it consume only 1 watt 

with 65% 80w

http://tinyurl.com/ydceemk2
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capacitance
« Reply #278 on: January 13, 2019, 11:25:30 am »
Titanium tantalum aluminum are metals that when oxidized form a oxide layer that is indeed a good dielectric...

i found out that is not so hard to make a capacitor at home... for example with titanium electrodes and magnanese dioxide ... i believe may even be possible to make a nickle electroless plate on an oxided aluminum or titanium for example.. form a all in one plate capacitor...

i was thinking about it because of that patent that mention an structure where the electrons can be discharged from the two capacitors without discharging the capacitors turning off the screening of the charge

i imagined a capacitor with a small hole in the middle where the negative side wire is forced to pass thru the capacitor... forcing any free electrons to get up and round on the circuit and discharge with the ions..   

 aluminum capacitive wire... bifilar coil capacitors

 


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3 phase transfomer dc pulse
« Reply #279 on: January 13, 2019, 13:42:40 pm »
i had i though here

i imagined a 3 phase transformer being used instead for this function... this would kind of affect all coils involved.. could be interesting..

each being pulsed independently i believe could create interesting effects..