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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #184 on: November 21, 2018, 23:27:48 pm »
maybe the electrodes must each be part of a closed circuit and not the load at the end?

i had this kind of feeling that the electrons in transit are the only ones that can be involved in any kind of manipulation by magnetic field... i´m thinking if we could set the magnetic circuit in such a way to manipulate the electrons in the circuit other than using electric field of a changing magnetic field...

i was considering if it could be possible to make the electrons interact at some point  of the coils with other field and perhaps create a potential difference that is not proportional to the power input ...

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« Reply #185 on: November 23, 2018, 18:31:49 pm »
My impression is that somehow the electrons when standing still in metals they wont behave magnetically perhaps because the metal hold them in their latice ... but applying a electric field would liberate them from the latice of the metal..

if there is anything right about this it would mean that we could manipulate the electrons with magnetic fields if the electrons were already in movement




 

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« Reply #186 on: November 28, 2018, 12:20:05 pm »
from thomson effect we can conclude that if we are using coils to pulse dc the start of the coil (inner part) should be the positive.. since there will be hotter than the outer windings it will promote self cooling when energy is used and also some extra energy from the heat itself ... specially for very long coils

the effect may be few mv or lower difference but there is

the hotter side of a wire will be more positive than the cold part

if this energy is discharged it causes the wire to absorb heat from the hot part transforming directly to electricity..
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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #187 on: November 29, 2018, 00:36:57 am »
from thomson effect we can conclude that if we are using coils to pulse dc the start of the coil (inner part) should be the positive.. since there will be hotter than the outer windings it will promote self cooling when energy is used and also some extra energy from the heat itself ... specially for very long coils

the effect may be few mv or lower difference but there is

the hotter side of a wire will be more positive than the cold part

if this energy is discharged it causes the wire to absorb heat from the hot part transforming directly to electricity..

wow...
It is interesting. But i cannot see how this adds to the Herman cell .
Or are you with this on another path?

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« Reply #188 on: November 29, 2018, 04:48:24 am »
Oh no bro just i mind note... to remember the effect

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« Reply #189 on: November 29, 2018, 05:52:52 am »
i made a drawing of what i think could maybe work...

the red and brown are anodes (+) and the black are cathodes or container..  the blue is insulation

this is the up view so the anodes are on the lateral and on the bottom of the cell

the cathodes are connected thru two chokes to the negative of the dc source

the cathodes also receive AC making resonance at the chokes

the main idea and im not sure is going to happen is to generate hydrogen but kind of try to neutralize the potential it force on the electrode and that consume power to make electrolysis..

if the electrolysis can be performed at lower voltage it efficiency can go over 100%

of course the resonance will kind of impart some energy to the dc side working like a boost condition.. but the main goal would be to verify if manipulating the cathodes potential in this manner would be possible to nullify the hydrogen effect on the electrode.. or perhaps help the hydrogen get ejected...

this cell construction also would be easy to get pure oxygen and hydrogen... all it need is to separate the cavities with a thin silcscreen

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« Reply #190 on: December 05, 2018, 04:37:59 am »
distractions aways come up when we are on the good way..
lets get back to it..

no body can stop me anymore than myself

so lets get back to the vic

what i found about the vic in this last year is the following

it should have 3 coils to adjust the impedance of the pulse and get most of it to the water..

this mean that the input transformer must have a primary a secondary and a choke

than on the other core there is going to be two coils....

the is one system being charged in parallel that is the primary of the other core

than the secondary of the first core get out  of the game and the discharge will be only on the other coils.. thats why they are needed..

there is some diagrams here thru this pages i will take a look over it and recapitulate what is going to happen...

the main idea is to be able to apply the highest peak voltage in water in the shortest time possible..

this will allow the charge to be applied to the molecules like hell

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I´m thinking about doing the following experiment

with some cells in series like this for apply 12v directly

every cell in serie will multiply the amperage in terms of hydrogen production so for 10 cells in series using 40 amps would be like 400 amps of hydrogen produced..

Anode HCl Cathode - Anode NaOH Cathode - Anode HCl Cathode - Anode NaOH Cathode - Anode ...

I´m not sure whats going to happen on the middle electrode.. the problem is that the solutions must not be in contact with each other,..

i think about using multiple isolated cells but of course will do only a couple to see whats going on...

next test will be to get the hydrogen bubbles get on the anode! .. the idea is that it would further reduce the potential... perhaps an air pump could be used to recirculate the gas on the anode perhaps on the opposite side where the reaction is going

i´m starting to think that the electron extraction grid was actually the anode in meyer cell so the hydrogen would have to pass thru it!

I imagine a 3 plate cell pretty much like the one in the video but with the anode on the up side for the bubbles of hydrogen reach it "! or passing thru a ss screen connected to the anode.

I think meyer said platinum could not be used `` it would breakdown under the conditions  / New Zealand `` perhaps because it would ignite the hydrogen with the oxygen at the anode... 

i dont know much about the cold fusing process but i guess the basic idea would be to get the hydrogen cheap and mess around with it with radiation and voltage to stimulate the energy to get out like all the inventors said.. to get a decent magnetic field on the cell maybe would be better to wind a coil around the cell itself or use permanent magnets

talking about magnetic fields how its going with the Horvath cell Steve?

i was thinking why the hell Meyer used a resistor in that patent and he talks about reaching different potential levels etc ..i wonder what was that about 

i think we should do the following experiment too urgently

have a 10Kohm high power resistor like 40w and get an isolated low voltage source too

connect the dc low voltage across the cell and the the 10kohm resistor between the cathode and ground

than pulse the anode with the vic to get 600 volts at it and see what happen with the current on the dc accordingly with the pulsing

i guess this was what he was trying to protect



1,23v              0v          +400mv           -829mv
Anode HCl Cathode - Anode NaOH Cathode
A            1,23v       B             1,23v          C