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the polarization curve
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2018, 16:02:40 pm »
the polarization curve of water is simple to understand and its the function that represents the resistance of the water over current flow

1 when we put two metal plates on water of the same material they will have the same potential relative to ground this occurs because the water ions will adsorb in the material but this has a limitation so when we first apply a voltage to water this adsorbed ions create a exponetialy decaying current flow
2 they form a capacitor
in bulk the ions will have to travel all the way to the other side to give the charge so there is a resistive voltage drop too but this time is linear... if the voltage is such that there is not enough ions to sustain the current than the limit is reached so there is a invese exponential decay for that a total short... but after this condition is reached no more current can flow than what is already flowing and polarization current reach its maximum value and voltage is free to grow without current increase anymore!!!!!!! 
3 if the bath is isolated the bath itself is another capacitor and the plates or system comprising the plates is one of the electrodes such as the internal and external walls of the water bath this capacitance is what is charged to high voltage

i think meyer resonant cell can indeed be a simple hydrogen generator that already get the gas out very destabilized to be hones i think he than only exited ambient air too to get the power he needed...

its becoming very clear to me he was a very genius and i´m happy to have followed the science way to get it




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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2018, 16:22:55 pm »
another idea that came across my mind is that for example microwaves resonance is the rotation frequency of water molecule and is impressive how much the water absorption is drastically increased in this frequency and it quicly get heat as it can absorb all the power in the resonant cavity

meyer called his cell a resonant cavity and a resonant cavity is a place where microwaves can get confined and amplified

so if meyer applied a dc voltage in water maybe if we apply microwave too the force to rotate the molecule will work against the forces keeping the molecule aligned and bang

the microwave must be tuned to the cavity proprieties i believe or simply to the water propriety

a resonant cavity have a amplification of the signal when there is nothing to absorb it when something is inside like water the amplitude of the wave will reduce as power is being consumed
 do you remember the buggy? all that metal covering the cell?

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Resonant cavity frequency stability?
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2018, 17:09:03 pm »
What is the precision in microwave frequency? could  be it greater than a cristal ?

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2018, 16:06:48 pm »
I found that a microwave oven can have a very high electric field inside...  probably if we want to use it we must find a way to apply straight to water and have electrodes to tap the energy out rectify and take this power out recycled such as to reduce the energy consume

i tried to do it with a kind of water transformer but dint work as i wanted

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2018, 08:44:06 am »
i found a far field calculator that calculate for a certain watts the electric field that is created when a trasmiter is at a certain distance...

if  the inner electrode of the cell or the cell itself could be used as a sort of antena the electric fields waves inside will be prety high likely tens of kv

Ronnie frequently told us all that it was a sort of impedance matching issue..

when impedance matches you can input power and it will all be dissipated on the load side the antena because its radiating

when impedance is not matched power is reflected to the source and so is not possible to reach maximum power out

is like a fuel cell if you dont have the right impedance load you wont get most power of it that is the point where current and volts are at maximum giving max power



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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2018, 04:11:00 am »
did anyone tried a very long like 100m of antena cable? as the choke?

they have 75 ohm impedance while we can manipulate the water cell impedance by geting some potassium in it

when  hit it at the right frequency we should see high impedance input while at the end its going to arrive a high current pulse that will be discharged all at once in water...

when i get some money i will try this...

can anyone help with that anyone with some cable siting at home could do some tests?
 
i would take connect both cable ground shields starts together and pulse it with vic primary secondary and diode...

send the wave down the lines

and hope it make a good way till water...

i think that with a standard config will be easier to figure out what is going on and how to interfere on it ...

there may be some high voltage silicon transmission lines available we should try to find somethink like that or create out of silicon high voltage cable .... this is way to go! i think the only drawback is that is expensive,...  but it can handle many kv 




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PLL tuning into transmission line resonance
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2018, 08:02:17 am »
Found a way to use the pll to tune in a transmission line

simply at the end of the T line a small value resistor must be added with a very small transformer in parallel with it.. just before the cell. this will give the current signal when the wave  arrive at the cell and will be possible to tune to perfection

this signal must go to the feedback circuit pin 14 etc of pll

the primary and secondary does not have anything special about it but the input transformer must have the output for the phase comparator pin 3 of the pll to have all in sink thats because any delay in the signal will not allow the phase locked loop to look into the right phase...

to get the right phase both the signals going into pin 3 and 4 must have the same delay... meaning the same circuit to treat the signal... if one or the other is in delay the frequency will not be the exact resonant frequency nor will it be locked in real phase but will be locked in a delayed phase

i would be important to have a couple of the feedback circuit with same configurations to get the same timing

i imagine that adding one resistor to each TL end is possible to monitor the arrival of the pulses and tune it ...



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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2018, 14:42:11 pm »
Fabio, the pll king  :)