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transporting ionized gas
« Reply #144 on: August 15, 2018, 17:15:33 pm »
transporting ionized gas is the same as run with a bucket full of water in your hands.. you will get wet

the ionized gas will be attracted by any metal or even plastic by the electronic polarization, at plastics it will get stuck and only partially discharged but with metals it lose its charge...

so the strategy is to have a very well insulated tubing that brings all the ionized gas straight into the combustion chamber.. silicon tubing seems a good option since stand high temps

also the injector must have a high voltage isolation from the car parts

when you charge something with high voltage it will have the opposite charge of the voltage you charged it with but it can even create higher voltages if this charges are collected at a point..

i think the injector should be totally plastic solenoid.. for it to work,,  perhaps costume made

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« Reply #145 on: August 19, 2018, 17:30:54 pm »

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THE GMS IMPORTANCE
« Reply #146 on: August 19, 2018, 19:13:32 pm »
I´m very happy with the development of the arduino GMS because i realized it is just the best way to prove the technology of the enhancement of the combustion process with good indication numbers etc.

It will be able to control the rpm of the engine by a feedback of the pressure and rpm read and the set acceleration rpm

the difference between the read rpm and the set rpm will determine if the circuit is accelerating or not and how much

this causes an increase in injection time that automatically adjust to bring the engine rpm close to the set rpm

this comparison between the rpm is not by phase difference , its a digital comparison between numbers so the frequency can work out of lock without problem and always bring the circuit to the correct direction rapidly as it can be calculated very very fast!

the measured rpm comes from the engine clock that is counted and so every 500ms it saves the number into a variable and the rpm is  subtraction the previous value from it  and mutiplied by 120 


i found that the arduino generate extremely stable frequency due to the cristal source.. but to achieve that and the full speed it require to turn of the timer that governs the millis and other funtions and directly manipulate the ports with bits

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Re: transporting ionized gas
« Reply #147 on: August 19, 2018, 19:25:50 pm »
transporting ionized gas is the same as run with a bucket full of water in your hands.. you will get wet

the ionized gas will be attracted by any metal or even plastic by the electronic polarization, at plastics it will get stuck and only partially discharged but with metals it lose its charge...

so the strategy is to have a very well insulated tubing that brings all the ionized gas straight into the combustion chamber.. silicon tubing seems a good option since stand high temps

also the injector must have a high voltage isolation from the car parts

when you charge something with high voltage it will have the opposite charge of the voltage you charged it with but it can even create higher voltages if this charges are collected at a point..

i think the injector should be totally plastic solenoid.. for it to work,,  perhaps costume made


Interesting stuff
Never thought on that one..

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Re: transporting ionized gas
« Reply #148 on: August 21, 2018, 15:42:48 pm »
transporting ionized gas is the same as run with a bucket full of water in your hands.. you will get wet

the ionized gas will be attracted by any metal or even plastic by the electronic polarization, at plastics it will get stuck and only partially discharged but with metals it lose its charge...

so the strategy is to have a very well insulated tubing that brings all the ionized gas straight into the combustion chamber.. silicon tubing seems a good option since stand high temps

also the injector must have a high voltage isolation from the car parts

when you charge something with high voltage it will have the opposite charge of the voltage you charged it with but it can even create higher voltages if this charges are collected at a point..

i think the injector should be totally plastic solenoid.. for it to work,,  perhaps costume made


Interesting stuff
Never thought on that one..

stan himself said that if the charged gas pass inside a metal tube it will give of its charge to it charging the object to a voltage that it will not be able to further discharge if its not grounded...

how fast this occur i cannot tell but i guess is pretty much in the milliseconds or even microsecond range if not nicely insulated

stan solenoids seems covered in delrin excessively by the way!

every time i think about this i start thinking if there is no possibility of using this process of flowing ionized gas to generate electricity and i posted recently some patents that explain how to do with different size electrodes and plasma etc

and other that come in mind is the kelvin thunderstorm arrangement!

Meyer had the air reclaiming system in the tech brief telling he would process the output exhaust too so perhaps one way to get away with the electrons and still have the pump efect of the engine runing let him pull aways the electrons extracted

if we extract something we need to put it somewhere

electrons cannot be stored simply in a box or capacitor without their counterparts the holes (or absence of electrons) positive charges

the car would get charged with this electrons relative to ground and you get all this discharge on you when you get out of the car.

so for real if we want to do this with safety or we bring them to ground directly or find a way to create a negative ionizer to disperse them away as effectively as possible

it could be simply possible also that stan gave this negative charge to the non combustible gases or the air in the air processor to get into the reaction and have a neutral reaction

however if you think about this is possible even to create or favoring other reactions like with nitrogen, carbon dioxide, present in air etc

i was going to bed yeterday when i had the thought .. what is the signal of the lambda sensor be like

after all it is a oxygen sensor right? and if we use only hydrogen and oxygen from water already in the correct proportion it should not consume more oxygen from air... however nitrogen oxides may be formed too and this can be the non combustible gases

so the lambda sensor may be useful to determine the amount of non combustible gas in the non combustible gas line and this may have an effect on the non combustible gas solenoid timing and the air timing

to make the complete car we will probably need

air pump
water pump
3 solenoids
silicone tubing or something with good insulation like teflon or those new plastic with rapid connectors seems great for this and handle pressure well
pressure sensors
microcontrolers like arduino to handle the signals
a rotation encoder with 60 ticks or 120 would be very nice to get a better rpm reading precision 
or something that can directly convert the rpm to a analog signal...
also something that could work is the alternator signal perhaps a current feedback with hall sensor near the battery could do it
this would be much easier of course with a car that already have an injection system because we can simply get the signal of one of the injectors or the primary or of the flyback ...
but the rpm reading is something that we still need and must be fast and somehow accurate
a pll can convert the frequency into a voltage signal with easy and this can be converted to the rpm with good precision.. i guess is going to be my best alternative .. for this i will only use a normal pll like the 4046 but would give a lock indicator to it to also control the logics in case of  loose lock..


 

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #149 on: August 23, 2018, 03:27:45 am »

theres been no analysis of the gas produced in Meyer , Horvath , Puharich  inventions .
 
is the gas positive , negative or neutral charge ?
and how did it get that way ?


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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #150 on: August 23, 2018, 16:57:50 pm »
Hello massive!

what i know about ionization of gases is that you need to have a high electric field to get it to start at the minimum voltage potential possible... normally  needles and very sharp objects are going to give a much higher electric field than a flat plate

and to get further ionized as i explained first the gas must be in a non conductive environment and such as to not loose its charges thru wall or tubing or etc..

and than we need to achieve the best voltage to get it ionized... that is the small as possible and step increase such as to be able to use the current more efficiently at each voltage level

the energy you spend charging a capacitor a volt at a time is half the energy you need to charge the capacitor all in once.. there is even the paradox of the two capacitors discharging into the other where the energy disappear, but in this case the energy lost of the charging a capacitor mostly is lost into heat when charging and discharging ...

the same is for a ionizer because you are going to have a minimum current where it will start to ionize but if you raise the potential to raise the current directly you simply spend more joules for each electron you extract or add!

from what Stanley said it seems apparently that his process consist of ionizing the oxygen positively because this way it will bring the hydrogen into the fracturing process by appropriation of the hydrogens electrons by the oxygen

this tells me that perhaps the hydrogen gas could be ionized with opposite polarity to increase the atraction between the atoms before combustion.. and or the exhaust could carry the charge too

as i was trying to explain in the last post

there is no way to consume electrons in a closed environment so the charge must go somewhere

 

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other ways of ionizing
« Reply #151 on: August 24, 2018, 02:24:47 am »
there are a few other ways of ionizing molecules

one of them is the process of accelerating them with voltage to strike a target... to start with the initial voltage must ionize some molecules that are going to be attracted to a next plat where it colide and get ionized to a higher degree

the way of doing this with the oxygen could be a arrangement of ss screen where the gas come out of and it

than we must have other two electrodes one for the initial ionization and one for the impact ionization the one of the initial ionization can float only negatively by action of one diode and the other is above the second voltage level to give acceleration for the impact that goes thru another diode allowing only positive charges

the action than occur when the atoms negatively ionized arrive at the target as they are going to have a lot of accumulated energy due to the applied voltage than when they strike the metal the electrons can go elsewhere if we let a another diode connected to ground for example. a current will result because will be easier for the electrons to simply go to ground than to discharge thru the charging system because of the high impedance


                       ions output
                      O++++ N+++
L---|>|---/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/----|<|----GND or electron consuming device such as other ionizer
L   D2     ss screen accelerating potential free electrons at impact
L             
L
L                           ^   ^   ^   acceleration force
L   D1              O2--  N2-
L----|<|------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/  SS SCREEN     NEGATIVE ionize atoms
L
L                                <------------GAS INPUT
L
L______GND


other way to do it  is by a kind of multipacting

where the ionized gas is placed between two electrodes that are both brought to positive potential but there is a a frequency also applied to make the ionized gas bounce back and forth between the electrodes... i gues is the case of the hydrogen gas gun