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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #200 on: December 09, 2018, 02:06:58 am »
Hey this is very nice to see.. thanks for looking up for the video...

the residual charge left on the tube was decreasing from the metter perspective

you said it keep like that for hours and that it was a 304 material with spring water? what is the characteristics of this type of water?

 really seem to me that the electrodes are discharging the charge left on them to the water it could do this until reach zero volts..

you also mentioned that it was charged for a long time before.. i wonder if you may not have electroplated some zinc on the electrode or some kind of metal from the water that later keep dissociating,,

i say this because is very few bubbles and they have a constant production and than stop





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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #201 on: December 09, 2018, 02:14:31 am »
I don't know any more specifics about the water except that the spring water is supposed to be natural so contains no chlorine.  It probably has some natural minerals in it.  Here is an example of a label about mineral content from bottled spring water:

INGREDIENTS
NATURAL SPRING WATER. DISSOLVED MINERAL SALTS: 180 PARTS PER MILLION. FLUORIDE IONS: 0.1 PARTS PER MILLION

I understand that electrolysis requires 1.47V minimum to start, so this is why I'm uncertain what to make of the meter reading.  There is obviously some kind of residual charge, but I don't know how to quantify it.

I was also using a self resonating radiant charging circuit to do this, not the Stan Meyer circuit.  The time period it was running I'm not certain about, but you do see the one pipe has white oxides on it.  Might have been several hours.

The cool thing about this however is I believe it suggests that the water is indeed polarized.
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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #202 on: December 09, 2018, 06:45:59 am »
It looks like its just discharging obviously because thers no voltage applied.
The geometry being tubes instead of flat plates also obviously formed a decent capacitor.
I dont know why nobody ever shows a cell being pulsed with 26 volts charging up to 1000 volts or more....thats the example Stan gave ?
The water polarizes as soon as a voltage is present...polarization simply means the hydrogen is attracted to the negative and the oxygen to the possitive....when voltage is present they become polarized...simple.
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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #203 on: December 09, 2018, 09:31:18 am »
It looks like its just discharging obviously because thers no voltage applied.
The geometry being tubes instead of flat plates also obviously formed a decent capacitor.
I dont know why nobody ever shows a cell being pulsed with 26 volts charging up to 1000 volts or more....thats the example Stan gave ?
The water polarizes as soon as a voltage is present...polarization simply means the hydrogen is attracted to the negative and the oxygen to the possitive....when voltage is present they become polarized...simple.


i agree here with Newguy...


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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #204 on: December 09, 2018, 10:22:27 am »
i believe when the circuit is open somehow the ions that were deposited on the electrode are being oxidized and becoming hydrogen lets research what could be those ions

to effectively polarize the molecules we need to reach a greater voltage since up to 1,23 v almos all the electric field is in the dual layer where there are no molecules only the free ions...

so to effectively polarize it it must get over it.. so meyer says he get up to 1000 v

is not really hard to get this voltage on water if i remember well i could have up to 2000ohms per cell so to really get 1000 volts it would only need 0.5 amps (de-ionized rain water)

this is 500W with that resistance range

you would just need a 500W 1000v transformer or pulse the coils with this amount of power

if working from 12v would require 41,666 amps ... so all you need is to pulse a coil with 41,666 amps basically and get this into the water thru a 83 times bigger coil

this would be the brute force

but if we use coils is possible to make them reach higher voltages for brief moments and maybe that is better for the job

a coil will develop unrestricted voltage if the current is not 0 and it is interrupted

the only restriction to the voltage is the power accumulated on the primary and the actual resistance of the interrupted path 

so basically theoretically not taking into count the other real world effects the voltage will be equal to the current times the resistance of the path so whatever coil with 0,5 amps could give 1000v to water?

in the real world coils have self capacitance and in our case water also is a capacitor so the thing is how much energy we need in the coil to get this voltage there and for how long will durate the discharge 

the time period for a coil to discharge its energy is dependent on its inductance and resistance so the greater is the resistance the shortest will be the discharge t=L/R it takes 5 time periods like this to full discharge

capacitors also have a time constant  t = C*R and also inductors and capacitor also have a resonant frequency= 1/2pi(L*C)^-1/2

so when you look at all this with the water capacitor you need to find first what is the energy it need to get 1000v than how much would cost of energy for second to maintain it from ohms law

in one patent meyer say something that made me understand that perhaps applying a pulse of greater voltage starting as a peak would make the current flow for the whole cycle



 



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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #205 on: December 09, 2018, 12:42:42 pm »
Well I definitely agree any voltage will tend to polarize the water.  I was more referring to it staying polarized when the charge is still there and no electricity is being directly applied.

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #206 on: December 09, 2018, 13:31:02 pm »
Timeshell I thought we will see the cell working too

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #207 on: December 09, 2018, 14:14:46 pm »
I never said that.  I haven't been well for the last few years and am not actively pursuing this right now.  My video response was specific to your statement to show a charged cell.  My final understandings are as a result of years of past experiments confirmed and brought together in the end by Ronnie's work.  All my experiments lead me to conclude that his work is valid.  I have not been well enough to finish it although this conversation has been getting me tinkering again.  Maybe I'll get it running sometime, but I can't say when that will be.

If anyone is interested, this is the platform for my current WFC.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2967526

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