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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2018, 09:13:58 am »
The main thing is to see how he was pulsing the cell. The other things come later to those who figure it out. The independent evaluation report describes what happens when you blast water with a cap. That goes along with what Meyer says in his video.

You do not pulse the chokes, you feed them. unfiltered DC. (low frequency charging the cap) Although it does not look isolated, it is when its working. Provided you don't drain it too low and are running at resonance.

The bifilar chokes, lock every thing down when the cap is fired.

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2018, 09:17:51 am »
yes the chokes maintain the cell charged or some current  going on during pulse off and its sumed with the new pulse up coming increasing the current every pulse and is resposible to imediately recharge the cell to positive after the peak pulse...

but we must remember that a capacitor is everytime discharged before.. depends only on the inductance of secondary that is low because the core is charged and capacitance of the chokes that are also low
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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2018, 10:33:58 am »
The main thing is to see how he was pulsing the cell. The other things come later to those who figure it out. The independent evaluation report describes what happens when you blast water with a cap. That goes along with what Meyer says in his video.

You do not pulse the chokes, you feed them. unfiltered DC. (low frequency charging the cap) Although it does not look isolated, it is when its working. Provided you don't drain it too low and are running at resonance.

The bifilar chokes, lock every thing down when the cap is fired.

when we stop a current going in a choke it will fight against this change raising the voltage in the same direction the current  was going.. but it first will have to discharge the capacitance that is charged in parallel with it
thats what is so special about it ... when we get a pulse in the line it will first charge the line and the load in our case because the pulse forming and the cell are in line connected this necessarily mean that this pulse forming is made to create a pulse that will reverse the cell with a very short spike wave but right after still maintain the polarization for a short while because of the inductance part and the dc pulses that charges the whole thing  ..

i dont know if it need to be bifilar

i even believe is possible to simply split the system in two one having a capacitor and a hv transformer and the other having dc and a simple choke to choke off the high voltage spikes created with the capacitor... of course some adjustments need to be done ..


the frequency we are looking to get is a multiple of +- 100 THZ this is 1.0*10^14

thus a sub harmonic like 10khz would work assuming this vibration in water have a very high Q factor... therefore the higher is the harmonic we hit the better ....

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« Reply #75 on: May 15, 2018, 11:21:40 am »
http://halas.rice.edu/conversions  i calculated ther frequency using the 3400 cm-1 wavenumber

this kind of mean that there are  thousands of frequencies we could use and would be the same.... maybe that why meyer talk about fine tuning basically many many many frequencies could work we just need to adjust the phase thats why its called a phase locked loop the precision in change we are looking is very narrow probably thats why he used so many dividers on the pll so a fine frequency tune is much more important than having a huge range... of course it must be within the range of the resonance..

i´m starting to think that meyer pll would not have a frequency change only would manage automaticaly the number of pulses as functon of what is happening in the cell that because is more important to have this frequency stable tuned to this specific parameter..

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« Reply #76 on: May 15, 2018, 14:39:40 pm »
Hi partners,


Here my first effort to replicate the tinman power setup with sparkgap.
My measurement was done on a very simple way with a multimeter. Later i will install my scopes.
The setup is simple.
1 piece 230v MOT
1 variac
1 capacitor 1 uF
1 sparkplug

The frequency is net related and i have put 1 diode in serie with the MOT and watercell.
Pulsed dc into the cell.
The multimeter measures
0.53 volts acros the cell when the variac is hitting 250v into the primary coil and cell.
Again, the voltage over the cell is very very low.
No gas is produced.
As soon as i put the sparkplug and capacitor in place, i get sparks on the plug.
Suddenly gas is produced!
Voltage over the cell is 0.83v..........

Here some pics

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #77 on: May 15, 2018, 16:17:56 pm »
I guess sebasfato wants to make it more complicated than it really is. What I said is how it works, your not going to theorize it into something else.  What's so damn hard about putting a cap across the cell  with a fet on the low side. Between the cell and the cap.

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #78 on: May 15, 2018, 17:50:07 pm »
sorry to maybe go off topic... but actually i´m trying to think the theory first so we dont have to  keep doing things wrong... of course is just theory and any part could be wrong  however its being so many years thinking about this that it apear to me all glues up
well first think i would look is how precise is my frequency from the pll... i remember it had lot of variance so is not a good to go

i think i will need to design the pll to have a very narrow range to get such needed precision....remember 100THZ well this is sort of the precision we need in phase.. 


nice test Steve... do you have used the same diagram you show on the first page? how is the waveform looking like? its pure water? what is the current going on water?

i have done tests with a spark gap... but only small stream of gas came out at that time we were following those Ronnies ideas.. i think he was kind of on it for real although he didnt help any of us to get there hopefully i took the time to understand what they teach me and i´m thankful  for them to have share some with me that lead me to get some conclusions...


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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #79 on: May 15, 2018, 19:30:55 pm »
You do not need fancy stuff.